The Angry Prophet: KiP - Episode 116

The people of Nineveh heed God's message and repent, averting their prophesied destruction. However, Jonah isn't happy about this turn of events. He grumbles and complains to God, upset that God shows mercy to a people he considers wicked. Instead of condemning Jonah, God engages him in a dialogue. God challenges Jonah's narrow view of justice and reveals his own nature of boundless compassion

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SPEAKER_00 0:01

Kip.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Also known as the Northern Podcast. That's what it is. That's us, man.

SPEAKER_05 0:07

That's us. I give them the floor, man.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

It's a Christian podcast where we read the Bible. Have a Bible study.

SPEAKER_06 0:17

Sad that you have to say that. You know. No, I'm saying like a Christian podcast that doesn't read the Bible. You know what I mean? The fact that we gotta say we're Christian, but it's not automatically assumed.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Listen, we want to be responsible.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Direct.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

I I never used to say that before. Like a Christian podcast, but I guess we're because we're Christians. Um and we specifically read the Bible and we talk about it. It's like just a Bible study. We're getting sanctified doing it, and our prayers that those listening will get blessed by it also. But yeah, we're a Christian podcast that read the Bible. Um what's that word? Expository. Line by line. Um we believe the word of God is true. All of it, every single one. From the first word to the last word.

SPEAKER_05 1:22

Every jot, every tittle.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

Every jot, every tittle is from God. It is um outside of time. Uh, you know, once this world passes away, his word will still be here. True, and it'll still be true. Um, you know, through his word, he created you know, this this uh world, this reality that we're living in, time, matter, space. And he was able to preserve his word for us so that we could know more about him, so that we could know uh the way of salvation through Jesus Christ and so that we could live eternally with him forever. Yeah, the answers to everything is in the book, pretty much is what we say. So if you have a problem, you know, seek God for the answers. So that's what we do here real time. Sometimes we mess up, but besides how do you know the author is God? Um manuscripts, prophecy uh archaeological evidence, archaeological evidence, what am I missing?

SPEAKER_05 2:39

I was gonna say something.

SPEAKER_06 2:41

No, just the way it changes your life. Yes, you know, definitely. The power, the power in power reading, yeah, and faith. Faith.

SPEAKER_05 2:51

I was gonna say um the format it came in, you know, like you know, usually books have um one person involved, let's say one writer, one, but to have 40 different writers, 66 different books, you know, and over the time span.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Is it 2500 years?

SPEAKER_05 3:12

No, about 2000. 2000 years, right?

SPEAKER_03 3:14

So you know that three different languages, three different continents. Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

So it's harmonized.

SPEAKER_05 3:19

That's what it is. So for for 66 books to come together and tell one story, have one story, one theme. You know, and I think God did that on purpose to show that the author is outside of time. Right, that's right. You understand what I'm saying? The author is not bound by time, he's not bound by space, he's not bound by location, is you know, this is the author is supernatural, he's outside of all of this. Yeah, and I think that's why God did it the way he did it, so that everybody can know that he is the author.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

Yeah, that yeah, I I really like that because um you know how you always hear people say, Oh, the Bible's been changed and you know you can't trust it. Like you the different levels of conspiracy you have to go through to believe in that nonsense, you have to be like extremely ignorant, extremely like uninformed, extremely, you know, uh anti-intellectual.

SPEAKER_05 4:10

Because like or just use the word stupid, you could say stupid, so sinful disobedient, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Yeah, you just ultimately you don't want, you don't want yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:21

I mean that's the end, yeah. That's the end.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

But on top of all of that, you could be stupid too.

SPEAKER_03 4:26

Yeah, be afraid to use the word stupid.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

I mean, like disobedience. What does the scripture call disobedient? Right, yeah, fools.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

Fools. No, but I mean, when you think about it, like just to lay out, like, I mean, just for the New Testament alone, we have over 6,000 manuscripts, right? Of the Greek manuscripts. Now, for a person to say that they have like tampered with it or changed it, you'd have to go back, because we we have like the Greek language, and you could go back and test it. So you'd have to change the Greek manuscripts and then be able to identify the changes. And then the funny thing is that, you know, um, all the apostles, they they love to share the gospel, and people were getting saved, and then what happened? They were translated from the Greek manuscripts to Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. Right. So now that means that not only you have to change the Greek manuscripts, you have to find all the Syriac um manuscripts, the Coptic manuscripts, and the Latin manuscripts, and change that and hide your inkwork and show that there was no change. Right. You know, and then after that, they said that the early church fathers they loved writing letters back to each other, and you could reproduce the entire New Testament up to like maybe 95% of the New Testament could be reproduced just from the letters they were writing back. So now you have to find their letters of and it's like over like a hundred thousand letters of the early church fathers and change that, and after you change their letters and make it match all the ink work, and then change the Latin, the Coptic, the Syriac, and after you change that, then you gotta change the Greek. So, like what level of conspiracy for that to make any sense whatsoever? Like, you really gonna be retarded.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

But you know, the the devil, he's he's a liar, right? So you gotta you just gotta throw out the lie because most people are not gonna investigate it.

SPEAKER_05 6:11

It's too much work. No, it's not even the investigation, but like you said, it's the people want to believe it. I'm convinced people wanna believe a lie. Romans. You understand what I'm saying? They want to believe the lie. Like they the lie is a reason to continue doing what you're doing, so that you appeals to your flesh and your sinful nature instead of coming to God, you need a reason. So it's like if somebody tells you the Bible's fake, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Bible's fake because I can now I don't have to be accountable to the word of God.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

Yep, so I don't have to worry about God. You know what I'm saying? I could go on with doing what I want to do. And you know, we're we're in the book of Jonah, and Jonah had a moment like that where he kind of rejected what God told him to do because he didn't agree with it, right? God told him to go to the evil nation of uh Assyria, go to the capital city of Nineveh, a great city, and share the message that he, you know, commissioned him to share. But Jonah was like, nah, I don't want to do that. I don't agree. And he imposed his will over God's will. Um so we went through that, you know, we spoke about that first chapter, second chapter was a prayer last week. Um we spoke about you know, ultimately, Jonah confessed uh that the Lord was he was thankful of the Lord for saving him because he reached the end. He was in a situation that he couldn't control or get out of, and he called out to the Lord, and the Lord saved him, he was thankful and what else? It was two things. He was thankful and helped me out, guys. I forget. It was something else. Or after the Lord said, Oh, in deliverance. He was giving thanks and asking for deliverance, and you know, the Lord spoke to the sea creature. Sea creatures swallowed him up, he was in the belly of the sea creature for three days, and then after that he spat him out maybe at the coast.

SPEAKER_06 8:38

But do you don't don't you think and I'm asking this question, when he was saying the Lord pulled me up out of the pit, wasn't that in response to the whale eating him? Or you think it was after the whole scenario?

SPEAKER_01 8:50

I I think it was him hitting the bottom of the the bottom of the ocean. But the pit is again, you know, to me, I don't believe that he either. But he was near death. He felt if he did. Yeah, his prayer was like, you know, obviously this poetic expression, you know, you read it like a psalm. But the pit was him reaching the bottom.

SPEAKER_06 9:14

Right. Yeah, so but what I'm saying is, is he thanking the Lord for the fish?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

The fish is what the Lord used to save him. So, like you were saying before, and I agree with you, because I didn't really piece it together the right way. The fish was was actually grace. Lord used the fish to save him because he was he reached the bottom of the ocean, he was drowning, he was dying. Then he called out to the Lord, and the Lord um used the told the fish, go get this guy.

SPEAKER_06 9:44

So he's he was showing a grateful heart for being inside of a fish. For being saved. For being saved, for what I'm yeah, yeah. I don't know about what I'm saying is is he's you know, this this heart of Thanksgiving is for being saved. Is being saved while he's in the fish, yeah. His heart is thank you, Lord, that I'm in this situation. Yeah, because I was drowning, exactly. So some people may think that he's in the fish and he's he's angry that he's inside of a fish. I'm pretty sure I don't know if he was happy that he was but he had to be, yeah, he had to be, yeah. He just what we read that poem, right, was all about how he thought he was gonna die. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was rescued in the and he could have been like, maybe I'm gonna spend the rest of my life in this fish, but I'm grateful to be, and I'm just saying that for in situations as a Christian, we may be in a circumstance where we it it may the world may see it as it not being ideal, but we're like, yo, you don't even know where the Lord took me from, right? You know what I'm saying? So to be grateful in a circumstance that you're in, yeah, you know, because he was in the in the belly of a fish, and at that point, at least he wasn't drowning. He was dead, you know what I'm saying? He wasn't dead and drowning, so his heart of Thanksgiving in that fish is how we should be as Christians and wherever we are, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:59

You know, so you know I agree with what you're saying. So compared compared to dying, being in the belly of the fish for three days is breaking up. You know what it is?

SPEAKER_05 11:11

It's like uh I think about like let's say you get saved in jail, you gotta do life, right? You know what I'm saying? Like life is the sentence, you ain't gonna get out, but you get saved in jail. I think about um the son of Sam. Yeah, you know, he got saved in jail, you know, and you know, he's in there forever. But in jail, he started Bible studies, he started preaching the gospel, other inmates started getting saved. So I understand what you're saying. Like, and he's probably like, yo, I'm in this fish, but it's better than where I was at before. Right. Because it was like I was just I was seeweeds was wrapped around my head, the waves was coming over my face. I was I felt like I was, and it says it, he's like your dog. I felt like I was behind bars. So it felt like jail, like your dog, I'm trapped, I'm here, this is it. But you know, like you said, being in the fish, like he could have been in his mind, like, yo, I might never get out there, but it's better than I think of the person who may be homeless, and then the Lord provided a shelter, right?

SPEAKER_06 12:10

And then from the shelter, a one-bedroom studio, like a studio. You know, like just be grateful where the Lord has you, because it could always be worse. Great point, yes. Exactly. That's the great, that's the point.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Yeah, so um, so the fish, uh, you know, vom was it? Did it use the word vomit? Yeah, it's a you vomited. Vomited him out. How far was he from Nineveh? Maybe he dropped him off at the coast. Yeah, nobody knows. So he got the Uber, the Uber fish.

SPEAKER_05 12:41

It says it took a lot I mean, he was at one point because it tells him it took him three days to get to the other point, right? Yeah. So maybe he was dropped span, yeah. It dropped off at one point.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

All right, so so then he he he actually did, you know, he followed the commission that he received from the Lord. So he went through Nineveh, you know, and he proclaimed the message. Right? 40 days more, and Nineveh will be overthrown. So Nineveh as a nation, they were reaching the tipping point um their sin, right? The Lord is like, yo, I'm hearing this disturbance now. Go go send them a message which is grace, God's grace. You guys are reaching the end. If you guys don't change, then you're gonna get judged. And he did that, and surprisingly to him, you know, surprisingly to Jonah, obviously it wasn't a surprise to the Lord, the people repented. They believed him. It says in verse uh five in chapter three, the people of Nineveh believed God. Period. That's it. That's it. That's all they had to do. All they had to do. Everything else that they did afterward was because of their belief in God. You saw the action that came from that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So they removed the comfortability of life, their day-to-day life, and that's what the sackcloth represented is like you're putting this uncomfortable, itchy attire on um, which is not what you're used to, right? You're probably used to your soft, comfy garment. So they did something that kind of represented um sacrifice, that kind of represented a shift from the normal day-to-day stuff that they would use. And they only they also did it with the animals, right? Being super safe. And you're seeing them as a group that's very immature spiritually, not even knowing the Lord. Yeah, the only thing that they knew from the Lord at that time is what Jonah probably told.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

I I I'm happy that you used the word they all they did was believe, you know, because like you kind of hear a lot of times when when it comes to the gospel, people say, Oh, you need to repent and believe. That is one thing, it's not two separate actions. Like, believe, it's like the same, it's like two sides of the same coin, where believing is believing is the same thing as repenting, which is mean changing your mind and agree with God. That's exactly so. It's one thing. So sometimes people try to make it two separate things. Oh, repent of your sins and then believe. No, you believe because through that belief, that is saying that you're changing your mind and agreeing with God, and what you agree with God, that you are a sinner and God is holy and perfect. So it's one action that's happening, right? And putting your faith and belief in God.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

No, I don't agree. Yeah, so me and Ange was having that this conversation earlier. Is it possible to believe and still live in sin?

SPEAKER_05 16:02

That's a that's a great I mean the scripture says even the the demons believe, right? Or the demons know.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

We're talking about uh uh uh salvation.

SPEAKER_05 16:15

Oh, as far as salvation, yeah. I mean, it's clear with this, like you said, you know, um you can show me your faith, and I'll show you my faith by my works. Like you said, there's always fruits of salvation. There's always fruits of salvation, and we're seeing it with with Nineveh. Like, you know, they believed, and after, you know, through their belief, what they did. They started fasting, they had sackcloth. So there's always fruits of belief.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

So that's I think that's my question. Yeah, is there always that evidence?

SPEAKER_05 16:46

Yes, I do believe that. Okay, well, because and this is a perfect example of it. You know, that's how you knew that they believed because, like you said, they took off the uncomf, they took off the comfortabilities of life, they put on the sackcloth. They same thing with Jonah, you know, like to that point where he was like, All right, after that prayer, vomited out, there was action to understanding like the word of the Lord coming to him.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

I think I was gonna say, like, I mean, just looking at this, for example, Jonah was a believer and he was in rebellion. Yeah, you know, I mean, there's so many people that believe, and then like that's why we have that step of you know, justification, sanctification, and glorification. Because after you believe, you're in a state of sanctification. That doesn't mean that you stop sinning or you don't believe in the world. Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying that.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

So now, this is my question, right? Those three different steps, yeah. You're um sanctified. No, no, not sanctified, you're justified. So now you enter, now you're in the sanctification process. Yeah. How about if you're not yielding to that?

SPEAKER_05 18:01

I mean, yeah. When it when it comes to that, it's um and the reason why I'm saying that is because of this sentence. Now, you know what it is? It's it's um, it's like how do how do we know?

SPEAKER_01 18:16

That's the thing, it's not about us knowing. Right. Because we can never know, right? And we can't judge. And and that's and this is something I've kind of been meditating on recently. And I saw this, and I'm reading verse 5 in chapter 3, and I was like, the people of Nineveh believe God, and period. That's the sentence. You could take you could erase the rest of the chapter.

SPEAKER_05 18:39

Yeah, you could do that. Yeah, you don't you don't you don't need to know, but God would have known. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

So that's why that statement right there, that's it. Like the people are safe just based on that.

SPEAKER_06 18:50

Yeah, no, I just I think what's so important. Yes, I do believe that the majority of Christians will show fruit. I don't think everyone does. And I'd look at it, the thief on the cross. Did he have an opportunity to show fruit?

SPEAKER_05 19:06

Yeah, he did show fruit. Other than his belief. No, he did show proof. What was his belief when he rebuked the other guy?

SPEAKER_06 19:13

I mean, that to me that encounters him just that's to me, that's just his belief at that moment.

SPEAKER_05 19:18

Right, but that's what I'm saying. His his actions was that Jesus is innocent. He we both belong here. Like what he said was his fruit.

SPEAKER_06 19:29

What okay? So, what I'm trying to get, what about the person on their deathbed? That we go and we we pray for, and at that moment, those people say, I believe. Right. They don't have fruit, they don't have an opportunity. Yeah, yeah. No, no, yeah. I I agree with you. No, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

So but the person on their deathbed, if they confess belief in Jesus Christ, they're safe. They're safe, right? Yeah. If it's genuine. So my question is Right.

SPEAKER_05 19:53

That's what I know what you're talking about as far as we're not talking about the deathbed situation. Right.

SPEAKER_06 19:59

I'm talking about the reason why I bring up the deathbed situation is because our God, who saved those people on their deathbed, just they they didn't have an opportunity to bear fruit. We're talking about the people with opportunity. So I don't think that the Lord looks at them any differently. You know what I mean? Like, no, yeah, if that person believes what he lives 30 years and doesn't bear fruit that everyone can see, the Lord's not gonna judge him differently. And the Lord's not gonna not save him. That's okay. You see, you said it perfectly. You said what I'm saying, like they're saved because they believe, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Because they already passed this period of the world. So now, when you said the Lord is not gonna judge them differently, that's where I disagree with you.

SPEAKER_06 20:42

Well, that's I switched it. Okay, I said the Lord is not going to not save them. Yeah, they're gonna be judged because they they have the opportunity to do things for the Lord, so them it's gonna be different. The standing in the beamer seat is gonna be different. But what I'm so that's not what I meant. I switched it because I it sounded wrong. I switched it to the point where the Lord still saves them.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Yeah, let me rephrase my question. But this isn't the beef I have because you said something, you said the person doing stuff for the Lord, meaning yielding to the Holy Spirit, being sanctified. Yeah, so a person, and this is my belief, right? I and it kind of got a little sharper and clearer, like a person can get saved and not do anything for the Lord.

SPEAKER_05 21:28

Yes, we as far as what what do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_01 21:31

The sanct the sanctification process.

SPEAKER_05 21:34

I don't believe that. Yeah, I don't.

SPEAKER_06 21:38

So here's the thing, we're not saved by our works. We're not, right? Right.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

No, not we're not talking about being saved by our works.

SPEAKER_06 21:45

But this is what I'm saying, but and then you you use the verse, you know, um, you know, what was it? Um faith without works is dead, right? So I don't think that the Lord, even though there is the Bible verse that says he's Faithful and just to complete the work that he started. So at that point, you have to think, well, then at some point, he's gonna show fruit.

SPEAKER_05 22:07

That's what that's that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 22:08

But then one, but I heard Pastor Richie said this one time the fruit that that person may show is that when he wakes up in the morning after fornicating, is he feels conviction? That in itself is fruit. That's what I'm saying. So, but the world may not see that. That's what I'm saying. We don't see fornicate.

SPEAKER_05 22:24

We don't see that's what I and that's why I get to that point of the word is very clear. After justification comes sanctification.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

I think sanctification is the only part that we don't where it's this two-way participation. Yeah, it's different for everybody. Right? The the justification is not us. Right. I totally the glorification is the power of Jesus Christ, also. There's nothing that we really us, uh resurrection, that's all the power of God. But that piece in between is this active participation where you have to put it in.

SPEAKER_05 22:59

Right, and that's and that's the problem I think Christians have is constantly looking at your sanctification process and looking at somebody else's, and now you're measuring up. That's the problem I have. Don't only the Lord knows. You like you said, you don't know what that man he's with his mother, and like you said, he's living a certain life, but then there's something that he have, yo, he does something, and the Lord is like, yo, I see that. Yeah, so okay, I don't see that. I don't see that, he don't see that, you don't see it, but I see that. Or he deal with his daughter a certain way, he's like, Yo, I see that. Yeah, but everybody else is like, dog, you a you a dirtbag, you're done. And he's like, No, dog, I see that. So that's the part.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

So you could have a believer, right? A person that believes in God, they sealed with the Holy Spirit, you save because you didn't have any part to do with that. It was a free gift that you expected. But then the sanctification life, the life that they live, they got 0.05.

SPEAKER_05 23:58

Yo, you that's too much.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

Yo, no, you're giving too much. That's what I'm realizing, and you're right, it's it's basically what we could see. What we could see, and you know, from this verse five, you're seeing these sackcloths and works. That's something that's visual. You can't see. So I do agree that when a person is saved, they're gonna get something. There's gonna be some type of change in them. 100%. It could be 0.005, or it could be 99.98. Somebody that dedicated that, but it's all it's all gonna be worked out at the beam seat.

SPEAKER_05 24:38

At the beamer seat, all of it. Right. That's why the beamer seat is there, that's why it's there. Because you're not getting away with nothing.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

You're not getting and you will be rewarded for your sacrifice and for your dedication and devotion and loyalty to God. No, he's fair. Fair. So if you come through you with your little 0.55, 0.25. That's it. The Lord is gonna be like, you're here.

SPEAKER_06 25:01

So it's like like what we're talking about, investing in crypto, right? Chill, chill, chill. Right? You invest a little 50 cents. Not even you only gonna get I'm gonna show you something. I'm gonna show you something. This is not we're not financial. It's not even that.

SPEAKER_05 25:17

It's like investing in the bank. And you put your money in the savings, and at the end, I'm not gonna name a certain bank, but I looked and I seen 30 cents after the year. They gave me something, they didn't give me what I wanted. That's why I don't invest in that bank no more. But when I looked, I was upset about what they gave me. But they gave me something.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

You get a little sick.

SPEAKER_05 25:44

It was point, it was 30 cents after a year sitting in the savings.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

So now, there's listen, there's incentives, there's incentives in following the Lord and dedicating your life. There's incentives in the next life, right? Your capacity in this new kingdom and God's heavenly kingdom, it's gonna be different for different people. And I also believe we'll be very surprised at who we see there, right? Like you mentioned, Sun Sat. I believe Jeffrey Dahmer got saved. Jeffrey Dahmer got saved. These are terrible people that committed horrific crimes, but it got to a point where they did confess their belief in Jesus Christ. You go to get up there, you be like, oh, you here we're so-and-so, so-and-so is probably not there. But also, I I believe based on how you live your life here, it determines the capacity that you have. And one example I heard, I think it was Chuck Messler, he broke it down, like you might see like a two-year-old in the kitchen banging pots and pants, and they have an atomity life. And you over there banging pots and pants, and you're an adult, you're like, that's cute. But you could go and climb mountains, right, right, right, see, and you're like, But that person's like the sound that they sound making is the greatest thing, because their capacity is different. Right.

SPEAKER_05 27:21

And that's how you look at kids too. Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

When you get in the kingdom, I believe, you know, this is my personal belief that again the gifts, the responsibilities that you get is gonna vary.

SPEAKER_05 27:31

Not even I'll give you a perfect example, David. Dog, I'd rather be a doorman. Yeah, you understand what I'm saying? Right, right. Like, he understood the level of being in the full presence of God, being in his kingdom. He's like, Yo, dog, I'd be a doorman. And this is David, who's you know what I mean? You you think he's gonna be higher. David is like, dog, I'd be a doorman.

SPEAKER_06 27:54

Yeah, I mean, even now, like with Christians, you talk about the capacity to enjoy the Lord. Like some Christian might go into church once a day, once a week, Sunday. Easter, right? Where we we gotta be in that word every day. And those Christians don't read the word, they're they're happy with just that hour where we and people like us, we need the only time we get fulfilled is when we in the word. Because we have the capacity to enjoy the Lord, even here on earth. I'm not even talking about heaven, I'm talking about earth.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

Yeah, that's a great point.

SPEAKER_06 28:26

So, as Christians, there are some Christians who are banging the pots, right? Like you said. And those are the ones that just go to church for one hour on Sunday, and they're good.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

Right.

SPEAKER_06 28:36

But us, yo, sometimes I be in church and I'm like, I need, you know, the other day, I was in church, but I was reading the word like on my own. And I was like, oh, and then like I forgot that the lot of young sense, yo, but yo, and I don't say that against any pastor. Yo, but you talk about capacity like to be sitting in church with the channel. No, that happened, that happens to me.

SPEAKER_05 29:05

No, that happens to me. Sometimes I'm I'm listening to the message, the pastor says something, and it click on something that I was thinking about, and I go down a little rabbit hole for five ten minutes while the sermon is going because he said something or he brought he brought a scripture that I never even heard before. And I'm like, well, hold on. That was there, and then I do my little 15-20 minutes. By the time I look up, it's worship. I'm like, yo, dog, oh dog, I gotta go listen to that message again because I went down this rabbit hole. But I feel like I think the Holy Spirit showed it to me a long time ago. He was like, Your dog, you the worst. That's why I can't give you what I give him. Right. Because at first I used to be like, Yeah, I love the word. He's like, Yeah, the reason I got you, I can't give you that rope. You the worst. And I thought about what Paul when he was like, Your dog, I'm the chief sinner, right? You know what I'm saying? I'm the least among the apostles. Paul was like, I don't look at myself better than Peter or John or Matthew. He's like, I'm the worst. That's why I think the Lord deals with me in this capacity. It's crazy. You know what I'm saying? It's like the closer you're getting to God, the more your your filthiness is being revealed. You see how you like how I use that, right? The more your filthiness is being revealed, and it's like, oh, I'm the worst. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I feel. Like the people who are sometimes are digging in deeper.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

And don't, don't, don't get me wrong. The least pot banger in heaven is gonna experience the greatest thing that they could ever experience here. Yes. So no, I'm not trying to make it sound like oh it's whack, but there is a um there is a system. Even Christ, he had his inner circle and then he had you know the outer circle, and then it kind of expanded to 70, and not everybody had the same access. And it's not you're not gonna be up there like, oh, it's not fair. It's like nah, God is He's just like you're thought. But this is this is where you're at.

SPEAKER_05 31:12

I think you'll understand when you get there. Yeah, yeah. You know, you have no questions, there ain't gonna be no confusion, and you're in heaven.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? So it doesn't matter. Like you said, that door man, that's gonna be the best thing.

SPEAKER_05 31:26

And you know what's so crazy? That's what he told uh the disciples when he sent them out two by two, and it was like, yo, the demons are subject to us. Look at all this power we have, and the Lord was like, Yo, be be you know, be grateful that your name is written in the book of life. That's what all the people not with the yeah, not all the power that you've been given here. He was like, That's nothing like you said, that's nothing compared to being in the kingdom of God.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

So I'm saying the perspective we may have here, because the way we look at things and we look at people, we look at position, it comes from it's mixed in with envy, jealousy, sinful nature. Eliminate all that and now put people in different positions, you're gonna be totally fine. You're like, Yeah, I'm this is where I'm supposed to be. This is exactly where I belong to bang pots, be the best pot bangers. I still think though, yo, making all that damn yo, go over there with all that noise.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

No, no, no, you can enjoy it.

SPEAKER_06 32:21

But I do, even though we're gonna understand, I when you stand in that beam seat, I think for all of eternity, you're gonna be like, there's gonna be a deepness inside set in inside of you that I could have done more. No, for the lower initially, yeah. When you're standing at that black pole, not all of eternity. I don't believe that. I'm gonna wipe away you all your tears. That's when it goes. Yes. No, no, no, but you're saying that you those tears are gonna be once?

SPEAKER_01 32:45

I think initially, I think for the eternity, you're gonna be thinking about his grace.

SPEAKER_06 32:50

I don't I think that's where the tears are gonna come from. Correct. But how do you think about his grace and and and and put yourself in that love and then not realize that you could have done more than that?

SPEAKER_05 33:03

No, the way you the way I'm looking at it is like every time you see Christ and you see the grace, yeah, you and you know what you're gonna think? You thought I deserved hell. Exactly. Right, I'm not gonna be thinking about it. I don't think you're gonna be thinking about all the stuff I could have done.

SPEAKER_06 33:20

If you think that's if you could deserve hell, you're telling me you your your capacity for blood is not a good thing. No, you could have done more for the body.

SPEAKER_05 33:26

Because at the end of the day, the whole point of heaven is to be in his presence. Yeah, all the other stuff, like let's say you got this gifts, there's mansions, there's roads of glory. But every time I see Christ, the tears is gonna flow. Because not one, you're gonna see the the you're gonna see the lamb who was slain, and you're always gonna remember the only reason I am here is because of what you did. And you're gonna feel so unworthy. And I think those are the tears, it's gonna be tears of joy, tears of gratefulness, and I think that's what's gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Is this sense of regret? I don't think we're gonna be we're gonna have a sense of regret for all of eternity.

SPEAKER_06 34:06

That's not that's not fun. No, not yeah, no, no, not in a regret sadness, but in a way like I could have done more. Nah, but that's but but the same way he said, there's gonna be people positioned differently, they're gonna have big mansions, they're gonna have little studio apartments for all of eternity. You're gonna be in that little studio. Nah, ain't nobody gonna have no studio. Everybody got mansions. Everybody got mansions. All of eternity, you're gonna be getting out of your little one bedroom and you're gonna go over there and you're gonna be like, I deserve, you're gonna understand. But but what I'm saying is a level and you don't think there's gonna be done more for the enemy.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

No, and that's why I said that we can't think about it in the capacity that we'll be able to think about heaven, right? Because there's a lot of things in us right now that muddies just the thinking process. Yes, yeah. So now remove envy, remove jealousy remove what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

No, but I kind of see what he's saying. I think he's that is it not as a response to envy, but as more so like, dang, I could have done more for him because of the grace he showed me.

SPEAKER_06 35:06

When I when you see those cars, you're gonna be like, I wish I would have done more. Nah, in comparison to others.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

So what I believe is that initially, yes, initially we're gonna have that at the beam. Maybe for a short period at the beam. At the beamer. But after that, the Lord is gonna be like, yo, everything is good. Everything is imagine living eternity and every time you're like, damn, yo, I could have done, I should have had, I could have had a bigger man. It's not positive. That's that's not positive, though, bro. Never that's not how I'm I'm making it. No, no. I think when you see Christ, we're gonna experience the pure his essence, who he is. And it's not gonna be based on anything else other than who he is. Yes. And we're just gonna be amazed, mind-blown, yes. Every time we see it. I agree with that. But it's not gonna be, it's kind of like you're interjecting yourself. That pass. I should have done that past.

SPEAKER_06 36:00

You're never gonna remember the BMC. Is the Lord gonna if it make all of that disappear? That you still before the Lord and the BMC. I'm saying before. And and your hay wouldn't stubble. I'm talking about earth. I'm talking about. No, no, no. The BMC happens in eternity, right? We step into eternity, we get judged. As Christians, we stand before the BMC. So you're telling me.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

No, not it's not in eternity, it's in heaven. It's before no, no, you're right.

SPEAKER_06 36:25

You're right. Yeah, it's in the head. So what I'm saying is when you're standing there and the Lord is telling you this, this, this, and you could have done this, this, and this, you're you're telling me that you're gonna just forget all of that.

SPEAKER_05 36:35

I think, I think we're gonna, like it says, when we see him, we're gonna be just like him. And what I'm what I'm trying just listen, what I'm trying to tell you is at that point when new heaven, new earth, all those things has passed away, dog, I think that's done. I think everything, I think from that point on, everything moving forward, though, is good.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

It's good as like, let's say, family members. That's exactly what I was gonna bring up. Didn't get right. Are we gonna be thinking about it? Thinking about them? I think all of that is gonna be. You're not gonna get that. You gotta you're not gonna live with anything from the past. From the past, yep. And anything that has this negative connotation to it. I understand what you're saying, but it's kind of like you're you're you're putting it in a way like almost like, oh, I could have done more, I wanted to. But that's still a form of regret.

SPEAKER_05 37:29

No, because that's I I like that you brought that up because it's like, okay, so now you have the beamer seat, even the great white throne. You understand what I'm saying? And I I'll give you a perfect example. Um, this is what I wanted to talk about. Like, even with the great white throne, yo, dog, you're gonna be there, you're gonna see people getting judged. I think at that time, like you said, at that moment, we're gonna deal with that. We're gonna deal with the family members that didn't accept Christ. Right, they're getting banished into the lake of fire. We're gonna see, and that's we're gonna deal with that at that time. But after all of that is done, it's you with the bride. Your I mean the bride with the bride, your bruh. It's okay. So it's eternity, dog.

SPEAKER_06 38:11

We we don't know that for sure, though, right? I believe what that is gonna be like we don't know that. Yeah, I do. Where it says everything we don't know that your memory is gonna be erased. I believe so. I believe, I believe.

SPEAKER_05 38:24

I believe it, but there is a scripture that tells us the only reason I say that is when it says the heaven and earth passes away. Heaven and earth pass away. And I think the only thing is, then our minds are gonna be like Christ. Right, and that's that's what I'm saying. I think the only thing that's that well our mind is gonna be filled of is the word. I think that's the only thing that we take from here. When we get to heaven, we're gonna be looking at the word and we're gonna be like, let's hope that it's like that. I'm gonna show you why. Because it says heaven and earth is gonna pass away. The only thing that's gonna remain is the word. I think everywhere we go, Ange, it's gonna be like yo. I think that's all heaven is.

SPEAKER_06 39:09

What's the point of seeing the scars on them if we don't know what those scars are? Because that's the word. That's the word, he's the living word. But we know what they represent. Yeah, it's him. Represent what? His sacrifice. It's not gonna represent what you did back in the days. No, but we're not gonna know what that sacrifice is for our sins. Right. That's but that's the whole of eternity, our sins, right? No, but that has to do with him. Him. I get that, what he did for us, right? Right. But if every time he walks by us and I see a scar, am I not gonna come? Is there not gonna be any recollection of why he needed those scars?

SPEAKER_01 39:41

I don't think it has to be. I think we're gonna look at him and we're just gonna be amazed at who he is.

SPEAKER_05 39:47

And the only and the only reason I also believe that is the the the 24 elders. Like all day, like, like you always say, casting the crowns. That's a perfect example of what I'm trying to prove. Just listen to what I'm saying. No, no, no, just listen to what I'm saying. Like, there's times where you see, I don't know if you watch certain movies where at the end, let's say, you know, after the war happened and such and such, the person, whoever king comes into the land. You understand what I'm saying? When the people are celebrating, they're not thinking about all the people when the when the land is in peace and everybody's prospering and everything, they're not thinking about I think.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

Yeah, I listen, again, we don't know. That's trying to say it. No, no, I do know. God is not gonna do it. When I said it, when everything is wiped, yes, and everything is new, new that includes our minds, yeah. Because even during the sanctification, the process is to renew our minds. Renew our minds to what thinking about the old stuff? Like, no, the old man is dead. Get rid of that old stuff, and I believe a lot of things we could hold back, and I like I said, I understand what you're saying, but that still is a form of regret. Because you think I should have, why you I should have, you should have done it. You should have done it. Let's get rid of that. All of that is done. Done. We're gonna see Christ. We're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_06 41:06

I mean, let's hope because at the end of the day, I like I said, you should have to do it. I think it's not but good. You understand why you're in heaven. You he's teaching us the word for all of eternity. Everything in this is gonna be forever. You know what I mean? So are we gonna skip over the parts where we were sinners? You know what I mean? And he saved us by his grace. Or we're gonna think about it's anymore. I don't belong here. I don't, you know what I'm saying? Like, of course it's gonna be I don't belong here, and that's regret.

SPEAKER_05 41:31

Regret? No, I don't see that as regret.

SPEAKER_06 41:34

That's regret knowing that you shouldn't be here. At least there's a part of you that that knows you should not be there because of his grace.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

Well, again, I think the way our minds work now, it always leans to something negative. We're gonna know I get that, bro. Yeah, yeah. So let's hope. How do we think totally with sin gone from us? Like we don't know. Yeah, we don't know how that's gonna be. So that's why I'm saying everything is gonna be good. Even the way that we're thinking is gonna be good. Okay, okay. So if we remember those things, like you said, it's gonna be in a good way, and it's gonna be in a way that glorifies Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

I mean, one thing I'll throw in there is that I think just like the name of the podcast, right? Like in the scripture says, for now we see in the mirror dimly, but then face to face, now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known, right? So that's when we come in face with Jesus, we're gonna be fully known and fully understand. So I think we're gonna like we will understand like the sin, we will understand the sacrifice, we will understand, like, that's the same reason, like we probably won't cry when we see a family member being cast into out of darkness. Because we will understand like that they rejected the only true safety. So we may see it, but we will fully understand so there's no regret in that. Yeah, so that's the thing. There's no regret because we understand the way Christ understands and knows. I think that's yes, I think that's the things that so it's not gonna be regret because we're gonna have this full understanding. Full understanding of why things just happen and our sins, and you know, but we'll understand, but it's not gonna bring tears to our heart because we're gonna have joy.

SPEAKER_06 43:04

There's still different uh to me, it's it's different to regret and then to wish that you could have done it, done more for the Lord. And the regret I get is a negative term, but I still feel like once you get up there and you see everything that he gives you, the the point about the elders throwing their crowns, why are they throwing their crowns to him? Because he's he's worthy. He's worthy of what? Praise. He's worthy. Why? Because he's God, because he saved you. Yeah, but he's but I'm all of eternity. I feel like we're gonna be wanting to bless him and wishing that we could bless him more than we did and more than we are currently doing. And it is what it like it is what it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good.

SPEAKER_05 43:44

Yeah, yeah, let's let's let's get to the talk about we read the Bible. How much time passed? Yo, yo, we sorry. We sorry, we're sorry, people.

SPEAKER_00 43:53

The Lord just exposed us.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:56

Bible readers, right?

SPEAKER_01 43:58

We're gonna read one word in the Bible. Yet.

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Chapter 4. You can read the whole chapter.

SPEAKER_06 44:03

The whole thing. Yeah. But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he became angry. So he prayed to the Lord and said, Ah, Lord, was not this what I said when I was still in my country? Therefore, I fled previously to Tarshis, for I know that you are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in loving kindness, one who relents from doing harm. Therefore now, O Lord, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live. Then the Lord said, Is it right for you to be angry? So Jonah went out of the city and sat on the east side of the city. There he made himself a shelter and sat under it in the shade, till he might see what would become of the city. And the Lord God prepared a plant and made it come up over Jonah that it might be shade for his head to deliver him from his misery. So Jonah was very grateful for the plant, but as morning dawned the next day, God prepared a worm, and it so damaged the plant that it withered. And it happened when the sun arose that God prepared a vehement east wind, and the sun beat on Jonah's head so that he grew faint. Then he wished death for himself and said, It is better for me to die than to live. Then God said to Jonah, Is it right for you to be angry about the plant? And he said, It is right for me to be angry even to death. But the Lord said, You have had pity on the plant for which you have not labored, nor made it grow, which came up in the night and perished in the night. And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left and much livestock.

SPEAKER_05 46:02

It says, but it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he became angry. He was displeased, like disappoint. It's like he was disappointed with the Lord, like yo, man.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

This one says greatly displeased, and Jonah flew into a rage. So what was he displeased at?

SPEAKER_05 46:29

The goodness and graciousness of God. Right. The mercy of God.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

The repentances of the people. Because he understood, he understood God's compassion. He was like, yo, this is why I didn't want to do it. Yeah. And he goes on to even speak about dog, I know you. I know your compassion. Yeah. I know your slow to anger. So that's why, you know, last week when I was talking about Jonah knew God. Yes. Like he understood these qualities that the Lord had. Yes. His problem was with these people of Nina, but he did not want to see them saved. And the fact that they repented, they believed God, and then we see the actions of their belief with them putting sackcloth threw him into a rage, though. He went, yo, sickle mode. That guy was pissed.

SPEAKER_06 47:22

Yeah, that's that's tough for me to read as someone who desires to see people get saved. You know, to see someone's heart like that who is a man who was a man of God, was a prophet the Lord used, to see that he wasn't rejoicing that hundreds of thousands of people gave their life to God. To me, I I can't comprehend that as a Christian. You know, and and and to me, it it breaks my heart that this dude was that had that heart towards those people.

SPEAKER_01 47:53

He wanted to see judgment on them.

SPEAKER_06 47:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

And and that's the always the thing, right? We always want to see uh mercy and grace towards us and justice for others. So I mean, I I get it. I totally get it. Like, you know what I'm saying? We say that, like, you know, we always when we speak in broad terminology, oh, we want to see everybody get saved. Right. When we're on the highway and somebody cut in front of us, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're not thinking, oh, have grace on him, God. He may be in a rush to do something. Or, you know, you're at a restaurant and you like you ask for no cheese and they put cheese on your burger.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Damn. Rachel, somebody to be burning.

SPEAKER_03 48:30

No, no, no, but I'm just saying that you get anger, you know, just for little minor things. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 48:36

So but here's the difference. I'll challenge you on that is the rubber meeting the road over here, right? Let's say somebody that you don't like, somebody that you hate, somebody that you had a problem with, somebody that took advantage of you, and then the Lord says, like, Mike, I think you brought this up maybe last week or two weeks ago, and the Lord was like, Go share the gospel with them. That's what I'm comparing to 100%. Somebody that you hate took advantage of you, maybe abused you, and then the Lord is like, clearly, go share the gospel with them. Yeah, no, that's tough.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

That's hard.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

So that's why that's why Jonah was like, Isn't this what I said while I was still when I was still at home? You came to me and I was like, I knew this is gonna happen. That's why Jonah fled to Tarshis. So he gave the exact specific reason. That's why I said this is very specific in Jonah and they exposed this problem that he had that I believe also the nation had to be able to do that. Yeah, he represented the nation to get to um to the nation. Like, yo, this is wrong. We have to fix this. And you know, he fled. He said, Because I knew you're a compassionate God, slow to anger, overflowing with gracious love, and reluctant to send trouble. This should give us encouragement. What Jonah knew should give us encouragement because that's the God that we serve.

SPEAKER_06 50:01

That's why we should never stop praying for family members, for loved ones, because we know God's heart. And as I was reading this, the Lord reminded me that at one point in my life I had that heart of Jonah against my father. You know, and how I was raised in a home with my abusive home, my father addicted to crack, and how I grew up hating him. And when I finally gave my heart to the Lord, you know, I thought all everything was all good, and the Lord had put it in my heart. He was like, You're being a hypocrite. He's like, How can you accept my forgiveness? Yeah, you can't ex you can't forgive your father. So that set off a time in my life where I had to get my heart prepared to forgive him. And when I forgave my father for all the things that he did to me, this burden was just lifted off of me. Like it felt like a tremendous weight. And not only was I able to love him, but I was able to love people better than what I had been. Like there was this grace that I understood, and this is that that the hypocritical heart that we can have as Christians is like, yo, get yourself right and and think put yourself in the same situation as is the Lord and you and that relationship.

SPEAKER_03 51:09

Yeah, and and that's and that's the biggest problem is that I mean, it's strange that a lot of people don't come to Christ because of his mercy and grace. And that, you know, because we see he is a gracious God. And when they see that effect, like I was telling Mike earlier, the a story of a guy was sharing, and I think I'm I don't know if I might have, I think I did mention it before about the guy that I met that was ready to like fight me. Um, I was sharing the gospel with.

SPEAKER_05 51:33

Somebody's always ready to fight you.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

You're attacking this, it's a weekly thing, bro.

SPEAKER_06 51:37

You be attacking people, big talking.

SPEAKER_05 51:40

And then he act innocent, he pick on them, he picked them, and then he'd be like, yo, what are you talking about? This stupid look, they're telling the story. I'm like, you'll be you be picking, fighting my business.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

So that was a guy that was abused or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

Yes, yeah, he was abused by by his dad, and it ended up getting saved, you know, in prison, and then he was like, I don't want to serve a God that could forgive him. I'd rather be in hell, away from my dad, and away from this God that you're talking about. So to show you like the animosity because of our hearts, we our hearts are so crooked and away from God because God is so different from us. God is love, mercy, and compassion, and we can't deal with that. We don't understand that.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

And that's the thing. Him, Jonah couldn't understand. Yeah, but he says, Yo, you're compassionate, slow to anger, overflowing with gracious love, reluctant to send to trouble, you're the God of the land of the sea. He he came to the realization, remember that you're omnipotent omnipresent. Like all those things, if you go through the whole story, all those things, he either he knew it or he recollected it. Like he knows all that. Like Jonah knows God, but this is a hard thing. He didn't want to accept it because listen, all of these attributes God belongs to me and my people. It has to be exclusive to us. That was his mind frame. Like, this is exclusive for the nation of Israel. God is like, No, dog, through you guys, through Abraham's seed, the nations of the world, all the people of the world will be blessed. And that's what's working out here. And Jonah's not getting it. And the Lord is exposing that problem. So he he goes on to say, Um, Lord, please kill me. Yo, this guy always wants somebody to take him out. You see how he is. Yo, he's a narcissist. He only thinks about himself, he thinks about his feelings, and he was like, Yo, I rather die, and that's how I connected to the boat. I rather die than see this happen. You think why do you think he posted up to see what's gonna happen? He was hoping that the Lord destroyed him, yo, reverse course, send down fire and brimstone and brimstone. Let me see, let me see, or let me see how long they're gonna last. They're gonna switch up on you.

SPEAKER_05 54:10

And that's what I'm thinking. So, do you think that his idea is more like you I know the I know how these people get down. You understand what I'm saying? Like you want me to go out there and preach this message to them. Like, I don't trust them. You understand what I'm saying? Like, these people have done so much of these atrocities to me, and it's like, like I said, let's say somebody did you wrong 50 million times. You know how the scriptures was like, if they did you wrong 50 million times, you you forgive them 50 more million times. You understand what I'm saying? So, do you think his position more is like, I yo, these people are next level, ferocious, all of that. And at the end of the day, I don't trust them. You you could trust them, God, but I don't trust them. And you going out there, you telling me, yeah, priestess messing is save, is more like I'm gonna sit back. Like you said, I I like that you said that, that I'm gonna sit back, I don't trust them. Yeah, this ain't real. And he understands that yo, uh, the level of of cruelty these people have, these people come to my people, uh, they're gonna kill us. And not only kill us, the way they're gonna kill us, the way they're gonna pillage and plunder us. I'd rather die than see that.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

Yeah, I'd rather die. And that's to me, that's literally his position. That's his position. And that was his position even on the boat. I'd rather die than me knowing you, and I know you're sending me out there for a reason. I'd rather die than see these people get saved, because he hates them.

SPEAKER_06 55:40

So you think his position was more one of what he was worried about what would happen in the future to his people if the Lord relented. Well, yeah, that. He just hated the hatred.

SPEAKER_01 55:53

I think that it had that hatred, but like so the hatred, there's reason behind the hatred. Right. Reason behind it is the history of the Yeah, so he hated the people. I get it.

SPEAKER_06 56:04

But do you think he I don't think he was thinking about what would happen in the future? About how they could potentially come and still kill them. Well, the idea was historical. But think about it, though. Well, they were, but what I'm saying is if they believed in the same God, then technically they become that didn't matter to Jonah. He didn't believe that.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

He didn't say he didn't believe it. So he was probably like, yo, these people are the worst, I hate them. They're not even genuine. Right. Which is the spirit of Satan. Satan kind of does that when he goes to God and see, look at this, he ain't real. Right, right. He's gonna mess up. Right, right. He's gonna go against you. So I'm just thinking about it. I'm like, yo, that's kind of the lies. So in him, he's almost he hates them so much, he would rather sit there even after he saw the fruits of their repentance, he would rather sit there to see them mess up, and then he'll probably go to God. Go to God, right?

SPEAKER_06 57:02

But at this point, what I'm saying is, and I I think an application for us too, when when your enemy does give you them them their heart to the Lord, at that point, that's a brother. Yes, right, that's a sister. Yeah, but it's you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 57:14

But that's what I'm saying. It's it's more of something that again, because of the history, I get it. You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 57:20

What I'm saying is the person who hurt you has a history of hurting you, right? Right? So you can't be thinking about what could potentially happen in the future. Like you have to forgive that person.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

So if that person is so blinded by hatred, you understand what I'm saying? It's like Jonah's so blinded by hatred, he has this deep-rooted national pride. He can't even see what you're saying. Right. These people are now.

SPEAKER_06 57:46

I get no, no, I get it. But I'm just saying, like, application-wise for us now. Yeah, when you forgive, you gotta forgive. No, no, definitely. That's what you're supposed to do.

SPEAKER_05 57:56

Right. But again, that's why I think his his thing was because he knows their history, he knows what kind of people they are. There's no like I don't even trust it. I don't trust them just because they did the sackcloth and all of that. Nah. Yeah, they they hate our people. Yeah, absolutely. Like you said, they're the world power at the time.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

At any time they could come and rise up against us. And and he and I think he knew that that they were going to rise. Because remember, like I mentioned before about Amos and El Z, they were already prophesying that these this is what Assyrians are gonna do to us if we don't, if we don't repent. Right. If the nation don't repent, they still they still got judgment.

SPEAKER_06 58:29

They did about eight years later, somebody. But what I'm saying is that that was because of Israel, right? That wasn't because of the Assyrians, that was right. Israel didn't repent, right?

SPEAKER_05 58:38

But you have to understand, he's like, these guys take it on this next level, not them, it could have been anybody else, but these guys, if they come against us, like if you use them to come against us, they're gonna take it on this other level. I'd rather die than see that.

SPEAKER_06 58:57

But the reason why the Lord allowed them to come against Israel is because of Israel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he should have been angry with his own people allowing that, and that's what I'm saying. Like, as Christians, yeah, yo, what the Lord allows in your life is probably because of the disobedience and the way you're living, and that's high level.

SPEAKER_01 59:15

That's high level. We could look at it from a high level, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like when you're in it day to day, but sometimes it takes a while because you realize years later, like, oh, the Lord was dealing with me.

SPEAKER_06 59:25

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 59:26

In hindsight, but when you're in the madness, sometimes it's hard to discern. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, you're right. The Lord used the other nations to, you know, discipline chasten Israel. Yeah, but like Mike says, sometimes these other nations, they take it because of who they were, yeah, their culture, they were godless people, so they took things on another level.

SPEAKER_05 59:50

And and that's the thing about and the thing when I'm reading it, I'm like, I understand Jonah. I don't agree with him, but I uh totally understand. Yeah, because it was like at a point I was reading it again before you know we we did this, and I was just like, and it's like the Holy Spirit was like, How can't you not understand Jonah? You was there, you know what I mean? You was at a point where you came into salvation, but it took me a while to trust people that weren't my my nationality, yeah, yeah, yeah. People who weren't black. You understand what I'm saying? And it took this time for me to get there, and it's like that's how I'm looking at Jonah. Jonah's like, listen, Lord, I know who you are, I know your compass, but I'm not there. Where you're at with this mercy and this grace for these people, I'm not there. And that's the one thing I appreciate about Jonah, just that honesty that dog, he wasn't there. Was he off? Of course he was off, but he wasn't there. And then when I think about my life, and I think about everybody who was saved, you made a great point. And I love the point you made. Everybody had their Jonah moments when they got saved. You had a father you didn't want to forgive, you had a mother you didn't want to forgive, you had an ex you didn't want to forgive, or a child, or you know what I'm saying? There was always somebody, a baby, a baby, a baby, or a baby daddy, or baby daddy, or your baby daddy, you ain't your baby daddy right now, you know what I mean? Cause he he he's making everything hard to co-parent. You just can't, you're like, yo, I'm good with everybody, everybody else gets forgiveness. But that dude, he's making my life hell, and I can't, and the Lord is telling you, no, you gotta forgive him, and that takes time, you know what I'm saying? So that's why I like reading again. I was like, like you said, you're in a bad place, and you had to work that out. The Lord was like, Oh, you thought everything was all good, and the Lord was like, Nah, your father is Nineveh. You understand what I'm saying? What are you gonna do? And it's like you had to go through this battle. Yeah, who's your Nineveh? Like, who's your Nineveh? You always gotta work that out, and that's what the Holy Spirit revealed to me today. He was like, Mike, you got Ninevehs, don't try to fight. Yeah, it's the people you still, as soon as you see them, you like, uh what if that person came to you and be like, yo, I'm a brother in the Lord? I'm like, I'm like, yo, sit back. Flying to a race, flying to a race, sit back with the plant couple of. Let me see if you really got saved. I know your past. Answer this question, right? And I know, and I know I'm a nine of to a couple of people too. A couple people looking at me like, Mike, you the Christian? Nah, dog, I know how you get down. I know your past. I know what you've done. That's a big thing if it's real. And there's people who's angry right now that you're a believer and you coming up to them, yeah. I'm a brother in Christ. I love you. You hugging them, and you, nah, I know you ange. I know the dirt you did to me and you did to other people. I don't believe it. And they're watching.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:52

That's a great point. That's a few. You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:54

And that's what I saw this morning. We all have these nine of us. Yeah, and Jonah, I think the Lord wrote this book. It's it's for us. Yeah, but that's why it ends in a question. Shall I not? What you gonna do with him? Jonah was like, nah, I knew all of this. And he's like, Shall I not? I'm not you, and that's what it to me it glorified God. Like I said, thank God that I'm not God. Right. Because if I was God, everybody'd be in hell.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

And that's what Jonah was, that's the position Jonah was putting himself in. He was saying, not God, you're wrong with this. This particular thing right here, you're wrong. You should do it this way. Yeah, right. You know what I'm saying? And like we said before, you know, me reading it, though, I'm looking at the cross. Yeah. And like, you know, I think I said it before. You gotta get into heaven and you gotta see people, and you gotta when you look at them, and you be like, yo, that's what the cross did. Like you're saying, you gotta see these Ninevas and you gotta be like, yo, this is what the cross did. That's why for eternity our minds are gonna be blown at the work of Jesus Christ on behalf of men.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:01

And that's why, fam. And the crazy thing about it is Christ says that. Christ is like, and then in that time, Nineveh's gonna witness against you, and y'all supposed to be the chosen.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:13

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:14

Y'all the one who got the word, y'all the one who's supposed to be the example, and Nineveh's gonna witness against you in that time.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

Like, yo, he came from your family. Right. Y'all reject you're like, yo, this pale dude just came and said a couple of things, and we got saved. Right. Y'all had three years of Christ's ministry, so particularly those Pharisees at that time. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. But just on the overall, dog, this is a result of the cross of Jesus Christ. The grace of God. Because the reason Nineveh got saved is because of what Jesus Christ did on the cross, looking backwards. Right. Right. This this work that was able to cover all of eternity. You know what I'm saying? So I'm looking at it, I'm like, dog Joni, you didn't get, maybe you didn't have that full picture of the cross the way we had it. You know what I'm saying? Because it was progressive, right? Just the knowledge. And yeah, you knew these things. You were able to characterize God in his ways, but maybe you didn't have all of it. But even that, you didn't even say, Lord, I'm struggling with this. Your prayer didn't include, like, yo, he never repented from this.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:25

You don't think so? No. Why is it?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

The way it finished, he's it's it's open-ended, it just ends. Yeah, we don't know. He never in all the prayers, everything that he said in the scriptures and in this book, he never repented. He never said, Lord, right, right, right. Right, he never said, Yeah, we don't know that. Yeah, we don't know that. He was like, Thank you for saving me. He's like, You're the greatest. Dog, he flew into a rage even after he did it. So he did it, but his heart was still in that same place. No, no, yeah, he was reluctant. He did he reluctantly did it, but his heart was still in the position from chapter. The one when he fled.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:01

Yeah, that's how it ends.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

And the amazing thing is the Lord was still dealing with him. You're with him because of his grace and compassion. And compassionately, and he's like, Yo, why are you mad?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:11

And I'm glad you mentioned the cross because I look at him like he's the first Paul. Like you got Paul Paul, but this is the first Paul. Right. You gotta go to the Gentiles, you gotta preach this message. But like you said, he had no cross.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:24

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:25

Paul had the he had the cross. He had the full, he had the whole finish work. The finish work where everything made sense when Paul sat there and he got taught by the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit showed him everything from the Old Testament to now. He was that's why he was able to just pour out this love because of the cross. You know, I think Jonah, I think the reason why it ends the way it ends, like now I'm looking at it in the cross.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:53

It's pointing towards he had enough.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:56

No, he had enough, right? But I think I think it's purposely written. I think that's how I feel. I shouldn't say feel. I think, you know, the Holy Spirit is doing that. And I'm just realizing it now, like you said with the cross. I'm like, I think it was done that way, like, you know, as far as the God's God God's position never changed. I'm merciful, I'm gracious. People get saved. It's not that, it was about the man. So Jonah couldn't get it because there's no cross. Paul got it because of the cross. So I think it was the cross that affected the the messenger. Yeah, yeah. Not God's position. God was always right. But I think as far as the messenger, at least him. So Jonah. No, no, no. Go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

He, you know, so so the Lord asked him a question, right? Does being angry make you right? Jonah didn't even reply. He didn't even answer God. He didn't even answer God. He just like ignored him. So Jonah left the city, he sat, right? So he made a little shelter for himself under the shade to see what would happen to the city. So that's why he's there. He's sitting up there. He wants to see what would happen, but he saw the people in repentance. So what are you what are you looking to see? Maybe you're looking to see some reversal or something else happen that'll make you happy. Maybe you want what you think they should get, you want them to get that, right? So then the Lord prepared a vine, you know, it grew over Jonah to shade his head and provide relief from his misery or to cover his wickedness, you know, in the translation, and he could go either way. And he was happy about that. He was ecstatic, his mood changed. Um, and then the next day, you know, God provided a worm that attacked the vine with it away. So the Lord, he's gonna answer that question that he asked him. He's putting him through something so he could bring it out. Bring it out, yeah. Right? Expose his heart. So when he arose, you know, the Lord throwing more wins at you. So I'm gonna keep dealing with you until I get you to the place that I need you to be. Um the Lord chases those he loves. So the sun is beating on his head top, right? You know, he became faint, tired, and again, he's still begging to die. You know what I'm saying? This guy's miserable. Right? And this is for me to die.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:24

This is one of the things I was like just seeing that from a little worm and from a little plant, you know, that he to the point where I want to just kill me because of shade. You know what I'm saying? Like there's a little thing, this is where you see how irrational sin gets, and how your anger and hatred, you know, um, how it just brings you to the point of irrationality where, like, yo, I'd rather die because you took the shade away because of this little worm. Right. You know what I'm saying? Little things just throw you off the cliff.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:52

Yeah. So again, he said, uh, does angry, does being angry make you right? And then again, he asks, Is your anger about divine plant justified? So now he's he's mad that the plant he's mad that the plant died, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:08

Yeah, he said, then God said to Jonah, is it right for you to be angry about the plant? And he said, Is it right for me to be angry even to death?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:17

Oh, Jonah said, It is right. It is right. I mean, it is right.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:20

Absolutely, I'm so angry.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:22

I could die.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:22

I could die.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:24

But how do you tell that to God? Like the dude had literally just rescued you from death, and you were so grateful.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:30

They, you'll be uh a thing about a lot of things with the prophets, they've they had these special relationships with God. Like, like, you know, Marcus said it, like the access. Like when you get into heaven, like even, you know, even Peter, like the things Peter said to Christ is, you know, but it's just like this access they have, and me reading it, it just you'll be I it made me love God even more because that's what he wants. God wants that, yeah. He wants that relationship with you. It's like I was telling Ralph when we was coming here. I'm like, like before he went into Sodom and Gomorrah, he was like, Should I hide what I'm about to do to Abraham? Like, you know what I mean? I was like, this is God, but he put that out there to be like, no, that's the kind of relationship I want, where even Abraham was honest. Like, God, you're not gonna questioning God, like you're not gonna, and he invited the dialogue. He did it with Moses, you know, he did it with Job. He this this is what God, this is what heaven is gonna be. That intimacy, that face-to-face, that's what we lost in the garden. And I think that's what we're seeing here now. This final chapter, I think it's really about God's mercy and his grace. You know, yeah, exposing Jonah, but I think this chapter is just showing the the the level of intimacy God wants with man. Like this is what he wants. And like you said, he was so patient. Like Jonah, I'm gonna die, like a little, you know, like a little kid. And he's like he's like, Yo, be I'm gonna put a plant, then I'm gonna kill the plant. How you gonna act now? Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna die. Do you really want to? It's like this is God.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:06

Let's explain the whole plant thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:08

I think the whole, I think that was God again showing him his heart how you want mercy, you want salvation, you want grace, but I can't give it to them. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

So the plant, the plan He exposed them, covering, exposing, covering the exposure to the elements, the harsh elements. When you was under that plant, you was happy. So the plant is representing God's grace, yes, and God's mercy. He was like, You was happy when this was covering you, and then the next day, you know, the plant dies, and then you're getting the exposure to environmentals that's making you uncomfortable, right? And then now you're mad that the plant was removed. So the Lord is like, dog, I'm trying to put a plant over Nineveh.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:56

Nineveh, yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:58

But you're mad that I'm trying to do that. But when it's over you, you're good, you happy. But when I'm trying to put it over Nineveh, you you telling me no.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:06

And one thing he was showing, he's he's like, Yo, B junk, Jonah, you the worm. I try to put this plant over Nineveh. And when you did what you did, you ran away. You'll be you came as a worm and you try to destroy this plant, fam. That's when I when I read it, I was like, like you said, the plant was to go over Nineveh, and then he sends the worm to kill the plant. He's like, That's you, you was the worm. You came and you destroyed this plant. And look how you feel, how you think the people of Nineveh. You know what I mean? The people of Nineveh. And and it's crazy how he sends the sun to scorch them. Yo, B, if if I don't put this plant over them, that's their eternity.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:51

That's eternity for them. They're gonna be excorched by this heat forever, forever. Yo, you see how uncomfortable you are for a second? Imagine that for eternity, Jonah. He was trying to show them that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:05

So understanding like the grace and the love of God and the whole plan. Stop taking your eyes off the plan from the beginning. Right. Like I revealed it to you guys as the spiritual leaders on this planet. That's why he calls them like, yo, these people, they don't know they left from their right. Right. So when you look at them, you're supposed to have that pity on them. But you're acting like a big baby, like I'm supposed to have pity on you. And you kicking and screaming like a child when they're the spiritual children, they're the spiritual immature infants. And you should you should understand, like you know me enough and understand the plan that I'm that God, creator of heaven and earth, and I love. So he's like, yo, I shouldn't be concerned with Nineveh. Yo, though, I created the world, I created the people, I created the nations. So I shouldn't be concerned with them too. Yeah, I shouldn't extend who I am to other nations. That was the plan. You guys, you know the plan, dude. Yeah, you know the scriptures, you breaking it down, you telling everybody, yeah, God is this, God is that. You know, but there's a problem within you.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:15

And that's a great point you said, because like when he says, but the Lord said, You have had pity on the plant for which you have not labored nor made it grow, which came up in a night and perished in a night. And it's like, yo, you did nothing to it, nothing for it, and you're showing pity for it. I'm the one who labored and created this nation. I love them. Yep, I want to see salvation for them, but you want to destroy it, you want to see them destroyed.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:43

Yeah, that's like you said, is a God complex.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:46

I'm the one that's going to sacrifice my son so that this plant, everybody could have access to that plant. He was like, Your dog. And he was like 120,000 humans. And you know, I read some of the common dictators. It was like, that's even numbering the children. So it could have been up to like 600,000 people in this room. And not only that, guess what he said, Ange? What? The livestock. The livestock. The Lord was even concerned about the animals. I'm wondering if he did that because the people. Because the people kind of incorporated the animals. So he's looking at them like, look, look at these guys. They even they even put sack cloth on the animals, man. Right. So he was like, yo, dog, I'm concerned for us. Like, I shouldn't be concerned.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:34

Not definitely.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

And that's where it ends. Jonah never admitted to the fact that not even that he was wrong, he he never even asked for help to try to understand it. Or asked for forgiveness. Lord, I don't understand it. Help me understand it. Lord, I'm a racist. Help me not become a racist. Help me start, help me to love those who I deem to be my enemies. So he didn't he never said that. He never prayed that. He was glad that the Lord saved him. He's glad that he started to uh recollect you know how God is there. There's no way I could even at the bottom of the ocean when I prayed before I draw you was there. Man, you're the greatest. But this he had a problem with, and it revealed, and like I said, we're living in a time where this is popping up heavy. Everybody thinks that way.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:32

I think everybody's been like that. You know, I think that's the one thing that everybody deals with, you know, especially because this is this is what the gospel is that God has forgiven us. And I think for like you said, forgiveness is the biggest thing that everybody deals with. Like having to forgive um somebody, you know, when God has forgiven you. You know, it's it's that same grace, that same mercy that God has bestowed upon your life to where you're saved and you're being sanctified and you're being changed. There's always, you know, whether it's another nationality, whether it's a family member, there's always this, this, this, you know, everybody went through that Jonah experience where you had to forgive somebody else. And this is why, you know, I know how it ends, but I believe Jonah. I believe Jonah got there. You know why I believe Jonah got there? Because with each and every one of us, when it came to this, it took time. That's the that's that's the only that's the only thing I'm going off. I'm not saying he did. I'm not saying he did, because it because it ends where he didn't. But I believe when we get to heaven, Jonah's gonna look and he's gonna be like, Yeah, I got there. He's gonna look at me, he's gonna be like, Mike, I got there.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:47

No, but again, because this has nothing to do with his justification.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:51

No, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm talking about this point of the forgiveness of understanding the the grace of God and all of that. I think afterwards. Yeah, afterwards, because I think so. Because, like I said, that was the one thing, and I'm glad Ange brought that story because I had the same thing. You understand what I'm saying? And like you said, like everything else is hitting on all cylinders in your walk, except this one person you can't forgive. And when you talk to a lot of non-believers, like you said, it's always that story. There's always a story of, all right, yeah, this is Jesus Christ, he's merciful, he's great. And then they're like, nah. And when you start digging in deeper, it's always somebody did me wrong. You trying to tell me I have to love them, nah, I can't do it. I can't get over that. There's always that struggle. I know people that are that's been Christian for years still struggling with forgiving a father, forgiving a mother. Like it's a struggle still because that person is really hard. Like, really hard. Like that person, and you you sometimes you're dealing a lot of times you're dealing with the family member or whoever that's not saved. And the Lord is telling you, forgive them, wipe it clean. Matter of fact, don't only forgive them, yo, go love on them. Go bring them a meal, go sit down with them, go have that conversation with them. And you like, no, I refuse to, you know, and I know, like I said, I know believers who've been saved for years. They still like, you know, I was having a conversation with somebody the other day, and they're like, I gotta do that. And I was like, Yeah, you gotta go sit, you know, with your dad and such and such. And it is like, like, you I could tell like this this struggle because the dad is so difficult. And that's why when I read this again, I was like, Jonah, you off. Because I'm always gonna side with God, but I understand because I'm a man and I've been there, you know? And like I said, and like even like this year has probably been the only, like this year is the only year that I've finally was like, I don't have a problem with nobody. Like I thought about it, like doing inventory at the end of this year, I was like, you know what? I don't got a problem, I don't got a problem with nobody. But I know there's people that got problems with me. So now I gotta deal with that. But as far as me having a problem with somebody, me being that Jonah, I I have that I hate you, I don't have it. Like the Lord has honestly freed me from every relationship that I think that I had a problem with somebody. I'm freed from that. You understand what I'm saying? And I'm talking about this is what? Years. I've been walking with the Lord for years.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:24

See, like what I do agree with you. I do think Jonah came to that point. Um, and part of the reason I believe he came to that point because he wrote this book. So I think that this is his autobiography of what he went through, of his struggle, his lack of repentance, his hatred for the nations. That's why he included. So he didn't include, but I think because he wanted to just leave a closing. You know why?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:49

I still think it's a struggle, baby.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:54

And that's you know, not dealing with his justification right is a problem, he's in the book, but it's it's weird how it just ended like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:03

Yeah, no, and I think I think it ended like that for us. For us, yeah, for us. You know what I'm saying? I think it ended like that for us because like like I said, it's it's after I read it and I he he ends it with the question mark. When I read it, I was like, yo, as soon as I read it, he's like, I'm talking to you. Like, yeah, you know, do it do you still have that problem with that person? And I had to really be like, nah, I'm I'm good. Like whatever they did to me, whatever I however I feel like they feel about me, I'm good. Matter of fact, Lord, I'm ready to love them. Like put it in my heart to have a you know, have those situations come up. And it's crazy, like this year in my life, just certain people that I thought, you know, they was I've been getting opportunities to just interact with and realize, like, nah, but I don't got no problem with you. Like, matter of fact, I love you. You know what I'm saying? But it like I said, it took Jonah, it took me over a decade. So if it took Jonah a little 20 years, I get it, B. Right. Because that them my Nineveh has nothing to do with skin the live and watching people get decapitated and impelled. And so I understand, black man, if you can't forgive the white man because of slavery, I know that's a nine of. But if you're saved in the Lord and the Lord is forgiving you, you gotta deal with that. You gotta deal with why you still hate the white man.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:29

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:29

You understand what I'm saying? I understand Jew went through the Holocaust. You still probably have the this little thing about Germans and your pride, your national pride. But if you're saved and the Lord forgiving you, that's the question. Should He not have mercy on those people that you feel like, nah, they should die, they should be exterminated?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:52

And you know, and and this is why when you mention like the reason why Paul was able to completely go and deal with the Gentiles is because of the cross. Yep. And that's the whole idea of the cross, is that where you can forgive because now the punishment that you wished on that nation was poured out on Christ. Yep. So now you could say that, yo, you've been forgiven of that crime that you've committed to the nations. Assyrians, yeah, you've murdered them, but you know what? That was paid for at the cross. So now I can forgive you, and I could roll with you and be your brother because it was paid for at the cross by Christ.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:28

I see it clear. When you said the cross, I was like, that's yeah, B. That was the thing. And that's the thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:34

Most people just don't understand the cross, what happened in the cross, right? And this is why we can forgive freely because the justice that you want for others, that justice was poured out and paid for by Christ. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:45

So now when you look at this situation, who is more like you you look at Jonah, right? Spiritual leader. Right, you're part of the chosen people that have this special privilege, right? We read about it in Romans, and then you're looking at a group of people that don't know their left from their right. You know what I'm saying? Like sometimes I look at you know, you look at the the Israel, there's more accountability for you guys because you guys know right from now, you guys know better. And then these people there they don't know nothing. Yo, that's so that's why, even for me, yes, I've learned that when you see, you know, you hear things, and I'll be like, what do you expect? Like you hear atrocities, yeah, and the first thing I'm like, are they saved? Then what do you expect? Yeah, you always expect fruits of God from dead people, yeah. Dog, that's the only because you know why? Because living in a time with so much information coming in, you could grow hard. You could start hating because you're seeing all these things and you don't understand. I'm like, what do you expect them to do? That's yeah, yo, you're looking at these guys and they're yo, yeah, rapping, they rapping. What do you want to do? What do you expect?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:09

Yo, he's been saying that to me for years, though, and I finally got it this year. I'm like, yo, he's been saying that to me for you. Exactly what you're supposed to do. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:16

Until you get the gospel, I have no expectations of likeness. I only expect darkness. Matter of fact, I'm surprised it's it's not darker. Yo, I'm lying.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:29

No, and I'm gonna show you something.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:30

It's because fam, that's what, yeah, this, yeah, exactly. Matter of fact, make it worse. Because it's supposed to progressively get worse. Right, right. We read, we read what the word said. So, how are how do we look at non-believers? How do we look at people that are walking around with the wrath of God on top of them, that are walking around in darkness, that are walking around blind? If you saw a blind man walking around, you're not gonna have compassion on him and be like the Duke. Nah, you're about to move to the street called.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:58

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:59

That's how, as Christians born from above, who have hope, we have a future, we're sealed, dog, we have all these promises. We're special, we're different, we're sanctified, we're separated. Yeah. So when you look at people, when you look at the worst of the worst in society in the world, there's supposed to be a part of you that has this godly compassion. That's right. And you be like, damn, yo, you need Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:29

Nah, it's it's crazy because like I said, you've said that so many times, like, especially, and I think that's why I got to this point this year. It kind of clicked. Because it used to, like me and you used to talk, and you used to be like, yo, what do you expect? And I used to be like, nah, don't give him no excuse. Like, that's God. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is the worst. And you used to always say that. Used to be like, I'm not surprised. And I used to think this guy was like sadistic. Like, like, yo, be like, what do you think? Like, you you negative. Like, he used to be like, yo, I expect that. He used to, I'm not surprised they didn't do this. Already say that. But like I said, this year is when, like you said, this when I finally understood. And it's glad, like Jonah said, like, you know, God was like, these people, they don't even know they right from their left. That's why I'm having pity on them.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:15

That's the unsaved. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:16

You know what I'm saying? And even before reading this, that's what the Lord dealt with me this year. That's why I was able to be like, I ain't got no problems with you. Matter of fact, like you said, I expect I'm expecting for you to feel worse about me. And I have to have this compassion and this love because you don't know better. That's how I'm really looking at it. And it allowed me to now, I want to love on you. Now I understand why God is like, I want to be compassionate to Nineveh because they don't know no better. You understand what I'm saying? And it's like when you get to that point, you're gonna be more patient. Exactly what Jonah was saying, patient. You know how God was his patient, his long suffering, his love, you're gonna start to accumulate, you're gonna start to uh uh portray those attributes when you're dealing with the unsaved because you're really looking at them like they're lost.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:09

So, what's the greatest example of that? Christ on the cross. What did he say?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:14

Forgive them, Father, for they know not know what they do.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:16

Think about that then that's crazy. Because that's God saying that. That's God getting abused, he's naked, he's bloody, he's dying. Yeah, and they're mocking.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:27

Right, and he's like, You're forgiving.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:29

This guy's innocent and perfect. And he's the same guy as like your dog. Don't you not call up legions over here? And then he was on the cross in the process of it. And he said, forgive me. That's what he said. And even in Psalms, he said, Yo, I'm surrounded by those of Hoshans. He's probably probably even saw the spiritual thing. He was like, yo, these people in it, not later, not afterward. He didn't get to think about it like, uh, yeah, I should that's no, and in it, he was like, Lord, forgive him. If you really sit down and meditate on who's saying it, who is he saying it to, and what was happening, dog, that's nuts. Yeah, no, you're right. So, you know, I I always try to remind myself, like, all right, what do you expect? They have to get that lifeline, right? Jesus Christ. Without that, you just don't know your left from your right. You gotta do madness, you're right, you're just gonna do craziness.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:29

And I mean, just bringing that point, just to share in terms of like on on the aspect of evangelism, when you're sharing with someone, a lot of people, I I see it with some Christians dealing with people, like they'll deal with their behaviors. Oh, why are you cursing? Why are you doing this? Like, it's expected. Like, you like you can't deal with people.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:51

That's what you're led by.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:53

Because that's what you're led by. Like, that's why the only thing absolutely right. I see like the only thing you can do is give them the gospel. The only lifeline is Jesus Christ died for your sins. That's the power.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:04

The Holy Spirit. Yeah, that's what's gonna change people.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:06

Right, that's the only thing you can do.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:07

Even if you're trying to act good, like the guys on the boat, they could you could roll all you want, you could throw things off. Where you're gonna end up if you die rowing, the bottom of the ocean.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:21

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:22

So only God could save, only Jesus Christ, faith in Jesus Christ, that's the only thing that could save you. That's the only thing that could change your life.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:30

Change your life, right? Nothing else matters. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:33

I don't care if you're the greatest person, you do all the charity you want. It does not matter. Nope.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:39

Yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:40

If you die without Christ, you're going to hell and spend eternity in hell. Period.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:45

Yeah, so you got that right. One thing I that I that I like here, man, is just how the word tells us that the Lord was, he prepared a fish, he prepared a plant, he prepared a worm. Yeah, yeah. You know, he prepared a wind. Right. But at the at the root of all that, he was preparing a human. He was preparing, you know, Jonah. He was preparing his heart to do his will. Right. And as Christians, like we see ourselves, like, you know, there may be that fish that we're we're in the in the belly of. There may be that that that sun scorching on our head. There may be, we may be in a place where we just don't understand it. But that's the Lord preparing you and preparing your heart to be about his business. Because there are things I love the questions that he asked him. You know, is it right for you to be angry? We see in scripture all the time when the Lord asks questions to individuals, it's not because he doesn't know the answer, it's because he's he's trying to get you to reveal to yourself your heart. Right. And um, and these questions, you know, when we answer them, we realize, oh man, you know what, Lord, you are right. And wherever you're at right now, the Lord is preparing you to do big and special things for him, that he may get all the glory, but at the end of the day, that people may get saved. You know, and as a Christian, that's all we can hope for is that the Lord uses us to as a vessel to bring the gospel to people so that they may be saved. There's no greater responsibility on earth as humans than that. And I just encourage you as a believer, you know, just to allow the Lord to continue to prepare your heart for service to Him.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:31

I'm just glad we got to read in the Bible. Finally, man. We were doing all this talking. But um, yeah, let's uh Mike, you want to close us out?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:42

Yeah, uh, thank you, Father God, just allowing us again to go through your word. Lord, we thank you for the understanding and the wisdom, Lord. We pray that anybody's listening, Lord, that they give their life to you. Lord, anybody who don't know you, Lord, let them seek you. Lord, let them go through your word and see how wonderful and gracious and merciful you are, Lord. So again, we just thank you for another season. Lord, just going through this book, Lord, it's just been uh edifying to each and every one of us. Again, just who you are, uh revealing more and more of who you are, Lord. So again, Lord, we just pray for one another and we pray for anybody who's listening and following, Lord, um, wherever they are, as we mentioned, Lord, that they just cry out onto you. Lord, and they seek your mercy and your grace, Lord, because you are a loving God. In the name of your Son Jesus, we pray, amen.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:33

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:40

I'm wondering, do we need a wrap-up?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:42

Yes, all right. Sure. You got you got some stuff?

SPEAKER_05 1:34:46

Of course. We don't give the people enough.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:54

What are you talking about? We don't give them enough.