Know In Part Podcast - Episode 107 - Ruth A Love Story - Obedience

"Then she said, “Sit still, my daughter, until you know how the matter will turn out..."
-Naomi

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SPEAKER_03 0:01

It's Kip. Welcome to Kip. The Kip show. All season.

SPEAKER_05 0:09

That's the new one now, baby. We gotta switch it up, cuz you know. We don't want no no confusion out here. Welcome to the Kip show.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Wish popping. Wish popping.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

What's up, y'all?

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Chillin', chillin'.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

Good, good. How y'all been? How's the week? Blessed. And highly favored.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Blessed. Yes, yes, yes. Excuse me for these the corniness of these guys.

SPEAKER_05 0:42

Last week you was the Lord blessed me. I don't fit in with these corniness. You know how Jesus is. Last week, just last week. Yo, the Lord, you know when the Lord, I put my face to the ground and then this week he's not blessed. This week is clearly, right? Yo, y'all corny though. Yo, you know how many times I just see the abuse reading this. I read this and I broke down. I'm a I'm a Today he's not blessed. Of course.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Do we have a human resource department? Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

The Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

The Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit resources? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

Why? Um, yeah, so Ruth uh chapter three. Chapter two is was really interesting. I like chapter two. Chapter two. But um, yeah, what what kind of jumped out on last week?

SPEAKER_01 1:34

I want I want the people to to to write what's jumping out on them, you know, to them. Because I we love to hear your thoughts, man. You know, a lot of them bless us, and you know, we we would love some of that. But yeah, chapter two, man. I mean the character we were introduced to Boaz, right? And you know, just his character and how even in his workplace, you know, he he wasn't afraid to get his hands dirty, wasn't afraid to to talk about God, you know, he w you know, his men that he you know worked for him, you know, we're also you know, in a in an awesome environment because of the fact that he was a godly man. You know, it was safe, it was something where you know people just enjoyed each other's company. What it looks like, you know, they were all eating together. So yeah, and just the character of more people here.

SPEAKER_05 2:27

Yeah, and you saw the character of Ruth also, like we're further seeing more, it's starting to develop more. Just her um I like the fact that she took initiative, you know, like you know, she know she knows she needed food. Her um her mother-in-law needed food, so she she didn't wait. It's not like Naomi had to tell her go out there, you know, to go to go clean. She took the initiative, she always took the initiative to you know, go out there and do something. So I I really uh appreciate that about that.

SPEAKER_04 3:01

I kinda uh appreciate Naomi just seeing how you're seeing a change in her behavior by Ruth's obedience, and Ruth's faith kind of started a revival in her heart. So now you're seeing her bitterness is being changed to gratitude when she says, Oh the Lord, he's like he remembers me. You're seeing her unbelief from how she left and now turning into faith, you know what I'm saying? And you're also seeing her despair, like when we were talking about, like, you know, the whole I don't have any more children, anyone won't turning into hope. Because she's seeing that there's a possibility of a posterity, so you're seeing her character being changed, all of Ruth's faithfulness and her character. So you seeing how you know, how you live and how what you show out, you know, what you're an example of how it can cause other people to change when they see God working in your life, you're like, wow, God is real, you know, maybe I should submit to this God is doing such wonderful work.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

Um I was I kind of looked at the communication, the you know, the explicit and the implicit communications between Ruth and Boaz. Right, and we saw what you know what um they valued in each other. What mattered. So, you know, and I'm kind of thinking about it in you know the practical, you know, Christian life. Um when you're what communication do you look for from the you know the person that you would probably want to enter into a relationship with that you would want to court and how important is the physical aspect? Right? You know, and a lot of times we'll say, Oh, you know, character, character, character. But, you know, let's not let's not fool ourselves that the physical doesn't matter because we live in a very physical, very uh sexually charged um environment, right? Is is it difficult? And I guess you know, you two guys could answer it. Is it difficult like trying to find somebody, trying to date to get that communication and and not allowing the physical part to kind of blurry the water? So, you know, simplest term, how how important is the physical part of meeting somebody and should it be like how much weight should that from from a man's point of view or a woman's point of view?

SPEAKER_04 5:41

And if you could quantify it too, give me percentages from a man's point of view, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:46

And put it and put it in? I identify as a man because God created me as a man. What are your pronouns? Oh man, man.

SPEAKER_05 5:54

Let's not get there, though.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

No, but no, it's a good question. As a single man, you always, and I'm I'm gonna talk about me. I ain't talking about nobody else. There has to be some degree of of physical attraction, but it's always it could be completely different than what the world thinks. The world might want, like, you know, some chick with a with a BBL or something like that, because that's like the new thing now, but that's not what a lot of men are looking for. But I've turned down a lot of women who were the world would say are very, very attractive if they didn't have good character. And to me, I'd much rather have someone who has good character and brings peace, but isn't your typical dime? You know what I mean? Like that I've never been that person that looks specifically for for looks, even before God.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

But so let me let me flip it on you. Yeah. So if you'll turn down a person that looks good but doesn't have the character, would you court somebody that has character but is a two?

SPEAKER_01 6:59

I say it's important, but I it's not the over the overarching, you know, okay. So now it's like how would that's what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 7:08

Like if you quantify it like a percentage-wise, how would you do it? In terms of specific like a percentage, 50% looks, 50% character, all right.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

You know what I'm saying? I would say that 50% looks, right? If I'm understanding your question right, what would that make someone average?

SPEAKER_04 7:30

You know what I mean? No, in terms in relation to character. So that means if you say 50% look, that means it's 50% character. So you're saying you're weighing them equally. Character and looks. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 7:41

So that's why we ask like a modification. It's not. I just told you I'm not weighing it equally because I turn down looks because they didn't. So put a number on it. Put a number on it. So character, I mean, bro.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

Yeah, yeah. So 80, 20.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

I would say your character in right now in my life, listen, where I'm at filthy at is at right now, your character has to be at least um, I would say 75%. Has to be strong character because I'm looking for peace. Right now, I have peace in my life. I don't have a wife, and I don't have those, those, the physical intimacy, but I have peace. I'd much rather have peace and no physical intimacy than physical intimacy and no peace. Right. You know what I mean? So that's just me. So 75 character, 25%. I don't know, I don't really know if that helps the people. You have to it has to be something.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

No, we're just we're just trying to quantify those.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

But for me, I'm like, no, I need I need you to have a strong character. But what if you're still a dime piece, but you have a strong character? You know what I mean? That's just that's you get no, that's plus plus. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

But um, but yeah, for me, but we're just asking, like, uh, where do you draw the line? Where do you draw the line and be like because obviously you said a person could have a hundred percent character and a one, yeah, you couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

No, because I'm a man, and physically I I want to have that intimacy with my wife.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

Don't say you're a man, just say you're you're filthy. I'm a filthy man, I guess. Yo, this guy, he didn't use filthy try to describe and everything.

SPEAKER_05 9:18

I've been waiting. I mean you go back to the back. He said everything but filthy.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

So, Mike, same question for you. Like, how do you how do you uh how would you quantify? Like, what would you look for? What's what's important to you again?

SPEAKER_05 9:29

When when I was in the world, it was all about looks because that's the only kind of relationship I wanted. It was all physical, it was carnal. You know, and now that you're saved, you know, your spirit is, you know, you're you're leaning more towards the spirit of God. And, you know, I don't know, I I've I've repeated it so many times. The more I go into this walk, I realize I have to align with him. And when you read the word, God, you know, like I said. Yo, man, don't give us no Christian. No, no, no. I'm giving it to you. I'm giving it to you. You remember when we went through with Sarah, and I said, Sava looked good. And I said, when we went to the New Testament, I said, this is what the Lord saw in Sava. Her humility. You understand what I'm saying? Her grace and all of that. So honestly, it's the spirit first, bro. So you look for the characters, yeah. It's it gotta be the same.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

So she's a she's she's a two mumra.

SPEAKER_05 10:22

I'm gonna tell you something. She could be a mum ra, and the Lord will make her a 10 for me if I follow the Lord, bro. And that's being real. I I've dated I've dated chicks that was tens, and their character was one. Yeah, and I couldn't stand to be around them. And I dated chicks that was four or five. That's the world. And that's what I'm saying. But even now, like you like you see a chick that's a 10, and as soon as she opens her mouth, she a one.

unknown 10:52

Right.

SPEAKER_05 10:53

As soon as she comes into the room, her energy is a one.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

So where do you draw the line? You could you could do a nine-one. Or you could do a 90-10.

SPEAKER_05 11:01

Like me, I would never put honestly, I would never put a percentage on it. Because it's hard, bro. Because I'm really, because you gotta understand when you when you're dealing with it.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

You already put a percentage on it.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

But I'm saying 75%. It's not like I'm listening, but 25%.

SPEAKER_05 11:27

But it will talk like like and and 25%. Yo, it's real talk. It's like like even like even when you start talking to a person and you start seeing their character, they become attractive. You understand what I'm saying? So something that I'm gonna tell you something. Every man, like, quote unquote, have a type. You know what I'm saying? Like, even with you, y'all have a type. But you'll meet somebody whose character is just, and you would have never thought I would be with a person of that nationality, yep. A person, you know, with that shape or that side. You you thought you would never thought it because you're like, nah, I had a type, but when you meet them, dog, this thing is spiritual, man. You know what I'm saying? You're talking about two becoming one, and when you really look at it like that, bruh, character, spirituality, having a relationship with the Lord, like after reading Ruth, like really reading Roof, like dog, these things, like what made her beautiful, what the things that was being noticed by God is the same thing that was with Sarah. Dog, where she bowed down, humility. It said Sarah called Abraham Lord. You know what I'm saying? That humility, like, yo, when you really start to talk to a person and you they have good conversation, they got a they got a relationship with the Lord, they're humble, they're certain. That's beautiful. So that's what you want to be around.

SPEAKER_04 12:48

So, so you're saying then that means the spiritual intimacy can supersede and override that physical intimacy.

SPEAKER_05 12:58

I think so.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

You're saying, because you know, a lot of people say, you know, like, oh, I need that that physical.

SPEAKER_05 13:03

In order for me to be like intimate, I don't think it over physically, I don't think it's she gotta look hot. I think I don't think it overrides. I think when the spiritual intimacy is there, dog, it for it compliments, right? It takes the physical intimacy to another level. Okay, because we done had relationships where it was all physical, but your life was healthy.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Right.

SPEAKER_05 13:24

Yeah, but it still has to be physical intimacy. I'm not listening just. So that's the question. Yeah, that's the question.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Let me tell you, let me clarify for the listeners. Yeah, and when I say beauty, it doesn't necessarily mean that you have the perfect face or you you're big in certain places. How do you dress? Do you smell good? Are you feminine? You know what I mean? Like, do you do you do you what you wear makes you beautiful to me? You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, do you do you care about yourself? You know, do you get your nails done? Like, you know, things like that. If if you're like a woman, that's what is lacking nowadays is that women they want to be men. We don't want to be able to do that. No, but we're not I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking about that.

SPEAKER_03 14:05

Femininity, that's that's a given. No, that's a given. That's a given. You could have somebody that's feminine and she's busted, right?

SPEAKER_01 14:11

But no, no, you but I'm you you can't, I'm saying don't put busted in the feminine. You can't just to me.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

No, you could have a woman that's feminine that dresses. She's ugly. She's ugly.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Yeah, but what I'm saying is her shape is ugly, her face is ugly. Um, that doesn't automatically make them a 25% when it comes to the beauty with me. You know what I mean? Like you could elevate yourself by the way, if if you're confident. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 14:38

So you're talking about fit, you're talking about the intangibles. I'm talking about tangibles. When I say physical, so then it shouldn't. So now are you you want to switch your answer?

SPEAKER_01 14:48

No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 14:49

The majority means the majority would be kids. That's right, yeah, dude. It's always no, all right.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

So yeah, okay, so the reason I'm asking is obviously because we even in the the Christian context, dude, a lot of it is physical. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And I I I think that's the reason we see a lot of these relationships, they don't last. Even these marriages that don't last, because the foundation of it is something that is not permanent, right? And I know seasons ago we talked about relationships for whatever. Like the looks don't last, right? And I think the what I got from Ruth is like from God's perspective, right? It has nothing to do with the physical, um, the physical appearance. And that's not even to say that you can't be attracted to somebody that's attractive. Like it's not it's not even brought up. Like, it shouldn't even be an issue or discussion. But what I'm reading is like what's what's being communicated to Boaz, you're this character. What Boaz is communicating to Ruth is this character, and that's what God is seeing. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 16:01

But I think that comes again, you and I agree with what you're saying, but it's a sanctification process to get there. Yeah, you understand what I'm saying? Because again, when you're when you're coming from the world and you're being sanctified by God, like I said, you're coming with a whole bunch of baggage and a whole bunch of dirt. And you don't realize that until you start to become more sanctified and you start, like I said, you start seeing it from God's point of view.

SPEAKER_03 16:25

But you're when you're saying sanctified, you're talking about in the relationship?

SPEAKER_05 16:28

No, not in the relationship. I'm talking about you personally. Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

Because we're reading about two individuals that obey, love God, right? We saw uh Ruth's love with her with her um confession, right? She said, yo, no, I'm going, I forfeit my old life. And we're seeing Boaz's, he's a man of God based on what he's doing, based on how he treats the people that work for him, and based on those actions. So we're getting, we're getting the evidences to see we know what type of people they are, but I'm looking at it from God's perspective. Boy meets girl story, because that's what this is, and I'm seeing what matters in God's eyes. That's not to say that you cannot be attracted to somebody, you can't have a type. That it has it's not even talking about that, and that's neither good nor bad. Like you could be somebody that, oh, this is my type, this is the type of people I'm talking about, but that's fine.

SPEAKER_05 17:25

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

But I'm like, okay, from God's perspective.

SPEAKER_05 17:28

That's what I'm saying. And that's why it says it will override it, it will always override it. So, like I said, like you said, this you come in with a type, like you come from the world, you like, oh no, I like this is what I like, da-da-da-da-da-da. But then as you start to get sanctified and more with the Lord, and you start to realize what this is really about. You understand what I'm saying? What this this is a bigger plan, this is something bigger. When you start to, let's say you get into a relationship, like even with this, you see how when they meet each other, how it starts to develop, even to the point of Naomi. You see, when Ruth goes back to Naomi, the first thing that Naomi clicks of is, oh yo, Kingsman, you see in a bigger picture.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Right.

SPEAKER_05 18:08

That's why I said if you're always seeing it from God's point of view, it's gonna become attractive. The person that you're with, you're gonna be attracted to them because it's not, like you said, it's not carnal reasons. It's not because, oh, I want I want an NBA player, so I gotta date a dude that's six foot tall. Or I'm I'm six foot, I gotta, I want to be with a six-foot person because I want a young strap. That's carnal. You understand what I'm saying? When you start to really see it, when you're always looking from God's point of view, someone who in in the world, before, even in your mind, you probably was like, I would never date somebody outside my nationality. There's people like that, but then you meet this person racist.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Nah, not all of them are racist.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

Yes, that's racist. There's people who don't even do if wait, wait. If you're not gonna date somebody outside of your race because of their race, not because of their race, but because of the culture.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Exactly. That's racist. No, it's not. It's like, oh, I somebody cooks the way my family cooks. And here it is. Here's the and it doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 19:07

I'm glad you said that because I'm gonna bring it back to my whole point. Let's say you have all these things, right? You have all these pre, you know, these uh uh preconditions or whatever. Let's say you meet somebody like that don't fit that's like Ruth. Yep. What are you gonna do? What do you do? Let's get it. Would you allow that? Would you allow that to truncate all of those pre no? There's people like that.

SPEAKER_05 19:37

No, I and I understand what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? There's people who have their lists when it comes to especially physical and to the carnal, where they're like, nah, I'm not, like you said, I'm not gonna bend. Right. I'm not gonna even date outside my culture. This is my nationality. I'm a Jamaican, I only deal with Jamaican people. You know what I mean? I'm Chinese, I only deal with Chinese people. And the thing about it is there's nothing wrong with that. Like you said, there's nothing wrong with it. But to me, I'm like, God is always trying to do something bigger. He's always trying to, there's always a map. Roof is showing you this, dog. There's always this master plan from God's point of view, and sometimes he'll bring it along totally not according to what you your standards were. Right. And it's like, what are you gonna do? So that's the answer, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:23

And if you but you know what I yo, I always tell people, I never, since I've been saved, prayed for a specific look.

SPEAKER_05 20:31

Nah duh, you prayed for the no I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

What I had in the example for a specific ethnicity or a look because do I have what I'm attracted to?

SPEAKER_01 20:53

That's different, but I never wanted to miss the blessing. No, I got you.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

So never pray like that. So I you know, I my whole thing is like it's great. That's why I say it's not bought up. It's not bought up. But what is highlighted and what is put in the forefront, if you're faced with that, right? What are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_05 21:14

What do you do?

SPEAKER_03 21:15

Do you are you gonna see the Lord is blessing me with this companion that I've been waiting for, and he knows what's best for me and all the Christianese, and then you're gonna go with it, even though that person doesn't fit you know whatever criteria you had? Yeah, or are you gonna be like, uh, yeah, I mean, she's cool, she's humble, she's this and that, but she or he so that that's that's what I'm saying. Like from God's perspective, he's putting it up there. Listen, if you meet somebody that is your type and has those qualities, that's great. Yeah, right. But it doesn't it doesn't always work out that way. And let's say the Lord is as he does in all of our lives, through his sovereignty, because he's involved. In everybody's life, whether you recognize it or not, and one day he intervenes and brings that to you. Number one, are you gonna be able to recognize it? And if you do recognize it, are you gonna be in obedience? Because we're gonna see Boaz, he's gonna have to, he's gonna have to make a decision, and he's gonna have to be in obedience, and so so does Ruth. So that's the reason I say that question, and that's the reason I say like it's not either good or bad when dealing with the looks, it's just not a factor, right? And is it not a factor in your life or is it a factor? So, and if it is a factor, then I think Isaac and Rebecca was the perfect example.

SPEAKER_05 22:38

You understand what I'm saying? When you know, um Eliezer went, they never saw each other. You know, Eliezer went, got Rebecca, came back, they and they met, and they became husband. And it it reminded me of Adam and Eve. You understand what I'm saying? Like, Adam never saw Eve, you know what I'm saying? But the woman that he, the woman that he made from this from his side, as soon as he sees her, he was like, This is my exactly because it came from the Lord. You understand what I'm saying? So I think that's what we have to look at. Is this person that's presented to me as coming from the Lord? Because even with Isaac and Rebecca, it was aliasel was a representation of the Holy Spirit. You understand what I'm saying? So it's like, is this that's the first thing that you always have to do?

SPEAKER_03 23:22

And how do you recognize that, right? How do you recognize that? And we're seeing exactly the character because that's what the Lord looks at. So see, it's not gonna be based on anything else but the character of God.

SPEAKER_04 23:33

But the the only way you could um recognize that is if you take your list or your type, whatever, and give it to the Lord. And that's the thing because you're gonna have to do that. You gotta take the list and you gotta burn it. Yeah, well, but it tells you you got the Lord write it. You have to, you have to, yeah, you have to burn it. Right, the Lord is Lord's. Burn your list, people under the obedience of God, right? And not under like your your filtering your lens.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

You still gotta be like with that word obedience because I do think the majority of the time God gives people the ability to make a wise decision. Yeah, yes. If God is telling you this is your wife, and it's clear, and you still don't because of something that you don't like, that's different. But I think in relationships, God gives us free will to make a wise decision. So all I'm saying, when you say disobedience, just be careful because, and not just you, but I'm just saying you can't say that somebody because they're not attracted to her physically that they're being disobedient. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're gonna learn when they marry the person that they are attracted to who doesn't have that character. Like, my life would have been a little bit easier with the chick.

SPEAKER_05 24:35

But I think that's that's I think that's a majority of the streets. Yeah, it's people picking according to the flesh, according to the physical, even in Christianity. Even in Christianity. You understand what I'm saying? That's a majority. That's a majority of it. It's flesh, and that's why, like you said, a majority of those relationships, and it's not until you know, again, it's like until you go through the hell with your type, because you constantly, oh, I got a type. You go through three, four of your types, is like, eh, maybe I need to look the other way. You understand?

SPEAKER_01 25:06

And that's what we say that they're being disobedient.

SPEAKER_05 25:09

Yeah, they're being they're off. Okay, they're not being disobedient. They're off.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

I feel like the Lord gives us free will to make a wise decision, whether or not we made a wise decision decision. No, but if the Lord bring you somebody unless the Lord is making it abundantly clear that this is who you're supposed to marry, I mean, yeah. No, of course. You know, but how can you call say it's it's somebody's being disobedient if that's not the case? Yeah, yeah, no, no. I'm not I'm not talking about disobedient.

SPEAKER_03 25:34

I'm I'm talking about listen, there's opportunities, you meet people, yeah, they have the the right ingredients based on the Lord's perspective. Yeah, so and and the question is, do you have the Lord's perspective? Back to what you're saying. I think as singles, you have to continue aligning yourself with God so that you can recognize the root type of characteristics. 100%, bro. You know what I'm saying? But um let's yeah, let's get into this chapter. Let's go and uh we're in chapter three, busy yappity yapping. You're you the one who wanna yo man access the land my accessible question.

SPEAKER_05 26:09

Yo 75, 25, 75, 25, baby, you know why.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

What happened to the footage?

SPEAKER_03 26:36

Yeah, let's go uh chapter three. Let's go one two or seven.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

Then Naomi, her mother-in-law, said to her, My daughter, shall I not seek security for you that it may be well with you? Now Boaz, whose young woman you were with, is he not our relative? In fact, he is winnowing barley tonight at the threshing floor. Therefore, wash yourself and anoint yourself, put on your best garment and go down to the threshing floor. But do not make yourself known to the man until he has finished eating and drinking. Then it shall be, when he lies down, that you shall notice the place where he lies, and you shall go in, uncover his feet, and lie down, and he will tell you what you should do. And she said to her, All that you say to me, I will do. Alright, so what's what's happening?

SPEAKER_05 27:35

I just love how this young woman is like, you know, from Naomi to Boaz, like how they be like my daughter. You know, like the interaction between the the age, you know, you have you it's clearly there's an age gap. You understand what I'm saying? Like there's elder and there's younger, like she's a young girl, and just how the Lord put so much direction in her life. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, God puts the older people in your life for a reason. It's to direct you. And it's so important, you know what I mean? Like, she had Naomi. She like, even when she went home, she had good direction. She's in the field, she's working, her boss, good direction. You know what I'm saying? What I'm saying, like she always had this good direction, and I love the fact that it came from elder people, older people, and this young woman was just always obedient. That's why I, you know, I stressed last time, like, will you listen? That's why he's like, My daughter, will you listen? You know what I'm saying? It was like to me, the Lord is pointing that out because that was so instrumental for her life, for making life decisions. You understand what I'm saying? This counsel that she got from elder, wiser people, and just being obedient and listening, being humble enough to listen. Like, you know, we live in a society now where the kids are the parents and the parents are the kids.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 28:58

Yeah, like now we live in a world where kids don't even need permission for their parents to do certain things. You understand what I'm saying? And I'm just looking at how the Lord surrounded this young woman with just direction. But yeah, she, you know, Naomi is giving her direction on um how to approach Boaz.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

And like you were saying, she's listening. The people that you allow to be in your corner, you know, depending on their character, it'll make it makes it easier to follow their instruction, right? So I think part of that is on you too for the deciding who's um who's in your circle, you know, which accountability.

SPEAKER_05 29:36

So would you say there's a physical aspect to this lining up here that the Lord recognized that it is part physical? Because he tells her, she says, therefore, wash yourself, anoint yourself, and put on your best garment and go down to the threshing floor. Like giving her that instruction, not saying looks wise, but there was a there was a form of something that had to do with the physical as far as presenting herself to this man. The Lord did not neglect that. So, like you said, it's not really the looks, but you coming around and you you know you might have a lazy eye, but if you smell good, I'ma holler at you. You might look like Biggie, but uh well You might look like Biggie, but you don't have to put them up some biggie.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Yo, you know what I'm saying? Yo, you was a female.

SPEAKER_05 30:36

Yellow you was five.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

I told you. You told me what? Yo, I told you that 25 minutes. Biggie was so Biggie was five percent. So that ain't worth it.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

So so I think we spoke about this last week, how Naomi was was very considerate of securing a future for Ruth, right? So we see that she even mentions that security. So um, you know, she talks about yo, this guy is is is our relative, right? And and to me, I I see like, you know, three months has passed, and Naomi's like, yeah, we gotta do something. Yeah, he ain't step up. We gotta do something. They made the first move. And she's fully in the right to do it. And we saw that same example with Tamar and Judah. Although she she chose a negative way of doing it, but she was in the right. So she's pretty she's pretty much saying, yo, listen, um get get dressed. Get proactive. Take off your you gotta understand, she was probably still in her widow morning garments. So she was like, yo, take all of that off. You're about to propose to this man, and that that's what this whole act is. She's pretty much gonna go to Boaz and be like, yo, marry a proposal and make a proposal to Boaz. So, and and you know, in any culture, when something like that's gonna happen, you have your, you know, you gotta put something nice on, right? You gotta prepare yourself because you're also giving out a message. You also want to communicate something that's not verbal. So there's ways that you communicate something that's um physical, right? So the outfit, you know, her preparing herself, her putting the you know, the oils on her, that's something she's trying to communicate to Boaz. So now somebody that's wise and older, like Mike was saying, is now imparting and instructing the younger woman about what to do.

SPEAKER_04 32:41

Um so, and that's a great point, like what Mike brought up and what you guys are saying. Like, that is like that is an aspect of like a woman making herself look, you know, pretty or looking nice, looking feminine. Feminine, exactly. Looking feminine, that's the whole thing. You're not going, you know, above and beyond looking crazy, but it's like looking feminine to show you, listen, you know, um, I'm a woman and I'm attracted to you or whatever, or and to bring that because nobody wants uh someone smelling like a fish tank, right? Yeah, you know, so it's like that's the whole thing, and um putting on proper attire and all these things. So it's all a part of communication.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

And what I think is important too for the ladies to know is that there's nothing wrong with making it known that you're interested. Yes, nothing wrong with that. I do believe that dudes are savages, but you gotta be careful. I feel like you gotta be careful. Oh, if you if you if you're interested in a savage, then that's on you. What I'm saying is, and we see it a lot in the churches, chicks don't want to make any anything that would resemble interest, they don't want to do because they feel oh, the man's supposed to be the one to pursue. And yes, the man should pursue, but it makes it a lot easier if you let the man know that you're interested. You know what I mean? Because nobody wants to be rejected, you know what I mean? She went out of her way to not only make it known that she was interested, she literally proposed to him, and guess what? Right, that he told her he will tell you what to do. Either he was gonna tell her to interested? Yes. I mean you said what was Ruth interested? Yes. I mean, there was never anything that specifically said she was interested in him as a husband, right? But she was just listening, she understood what's going on. Yeah, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05 34:29

Like I said, I think it was just obedience to she understood what it was what came with the husband, rest.

SPEAKER_03 34:35

Okay, so you know, so I see it, I see it like she was um she understood that this is safe. Because she she knew what type so so again, interested, like oh, I'm attracted to him, like none of that is. No, no, not that. No, no, no, no, understand what I'm saying. Like, so my question is if Naomi didn't tell her to do that, would she have done it? Or was this based on her being obedient to Naomi?

SPEAKER_04 35:07

Well, I think it was based on her being obedient to Naomi because she didn't even understand the culture in terms of how, like, the way what Naomi explained to her was the the the traditional cultural way of doing things, which she had no idea, you know. So I think it was part of obedience, right? And because of like the greater picture that Naomi understood that she didn't fully understand, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:30

But she's like, so in her faith in like in God, because she trusted and I think that's what Okay, but my question is Is there any indication of her feelings towards Boaz? No, no, no, no, no, that's what I think we don't know, yeah. Romantically we don't know, we don't know we don't know her feelings. Like, I didn't get anything in terms of what Naomi felt towards Boaz, other than recognizing that he's kind, right, he he provides protection, he provides provision, and you know, and he he elevated me to a position of he was a man worthy of being submitted to.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

So based right, so based on those I can submit to this man from his character, right? You know what I mean? Right.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

So that's so that's that's why I'm saying, like, based on those facts that she has and she experienced, I don't have a problem obeying what Naomi's gonna tell me.

SPEAKER_05 36:27

Would you think she would have done it if it was the opposite? If Boaz wasn't like that, just out of obedience to Naomi. I think I think we would I think she would have to be. That's the reason, and the reason I'm saying that is because again, I think her commitment was to God. You understand what I'm saying? Like how you're stressing so much about like, and it's like, you know, when I was giving my answer, I'm like, bro, when you're committed to God, what you have, you might have things going your way or have things how you might see it, but I think let's say even if she did have it, I don't think she stepped on it because her commitment was to God, and she knew this relationship that I really have is through Naomi. Naomi is really my parent figure. You understand what I'm saying? She's the one. So that's like a guiding me through.

SPEAKER_03 37:21

Abraham Sarah. Um let's say if Boaz wasn't the guy, like he wasn't a follower of God or he wasn't a good man. I see the position of like when Abraham told Sarah, lie for me and do something in out of obedience, she did it, right? Even though it was wrong. Right.

SPEAKER_05 37:40

That's that's why I'm like, I think her devotion, because from chapter one, I think that's why that's so important what she says. My devotion is totally to God and to my mother-in-law, bro. And I I agree with you, bro. You understand what I'm saying? So it's like, even if let's say Boaz wasn't how we it was like, nah, Naomi, I'm devote. This is where my devotion is. So now so now look at it. My loyalties came.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

So now look at it like this the same way that um Naomi is trying to secure Ruth and making sure she's good. Ruth is being obedient and she's actually being selfless in this situation. She was like, yo, this benefits you, right? And I'm trying to preserve the line of your son. Right. Technically, I'm like, yo, this agreement, this covenant of marriage is broken. Like, I'm free to do whatever I want. That's what I'm saying. Technically, like legally, even if you look at it. So even her in her position, Boaz being an older gentleman, and the reason uh I kind of brought it up where you could tell, like, with three months past, nothing is happening. Now, Naomi's like Ruth, you have to act. And she was able to act because she was she was in the right to because of the whole Leverite law.

SPEAKER_05 39:00

Yeah, um, I see her being selfless, like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna do that because of all of this that it's still and I think I honestly think because she'll be she was a woman of her word, bruh. Her devotion was to Naomi. That's what she said when she left, bruh. So Naomi's like, okay, now get up and she's like, bruh. That's why Naomi gave her everything, and she was like, okay, I'm gonna do it. It wasn't, you know, like you said, she didn't fully need to understand everything because she's like, Your dog, I'm following this God, and I'm following my mother-in-law, who is, you know, who brought me to this God, and I made this vow to my mother-in-law when we left, bruh. I'm following her. So Naomi, I'm starting to see Naomi's character where, like I said, Naomi could have just kept that. Like, yeah, just stay by me, work for me. You could go out there, you could keep working. We could, you know, she could have date, but she was selfless also. Yeah, but someone said, Yes, she was benefiting, but it was like the way they was looking at each other, they had this devotion to each other. So that's why I'm like, even if Boaz, let's say we didn't know nothing about Boaz, Boaz was never even his character was never even broken down to us. I think now I think Wolf would have still did it because she was devoted to God and she was devoted to Naomi, bro.

SPEAKER_04 40:13

The the thing is, and you could see that just it on a horizontal plane where you you still there's still many cultures that have like uh arranged marriages. Arranged marriages, where it's like because of my culture being this way, and you know, I've been arranged to marriages got and they remain to that and they're obedient to it because of our culture. And I and I also do like with the kindness, I think that it might have grown because only you in terms of uh Ruth's attract I think although it doesn't say that with Ruth's attraction to to Boaz, I'm thinking of um because of his kindness, his character, uh because it was um a poll that was sent out, like it was a mass poll on what is the most attractive thing uh to a woman that they want to see in a man. You know, was it they they you know, like with the whole grade, is it looks, is it money, is it power, is it physique, bodybuilding? And overwhelmingly, 80% said kindness. They want a man that's kind to them. Yeah, you know, so it's like sounds good. It sounds good, but this was you know a few years back. This uh this this this poll was polls. This poll was from 1950. Yeah, this poll was in the house.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

Did they send the poll to the hood?

SPEAKER_04 41:28

No, it wasn't in the hood. What do you think the hood would have said?

SPEAKER_05 41:32

I don't want to start that. Let's go. So uh verse six. Let's go, verse six. So what?

SPEAKER_01 41:39

Um 13. Yeah. So she went down to the threshing floor and did according to all that her mother-in-law instructed her. And after Boaz had eaten and drunk, and his heart was cheerful, he went to lie down at the end of the heap of grain, and she came softly, uncovered his feet, and lay down. Now it happened at midnight that the man was startled and turned himself, and there a woman was lying at his feet, and he said, Who are you? So she answered, I am Ruth, your maidserv servant. Take your maidservant under your wing, for you are a close relative. Then he said, Blessed are you of the Lord, my daughter, for you have shown more kindness at the end than at the beginning, and that you did not go after young men, whether poor or rich. And now, my daughter, do not fear. I will do for you all that you request, for all the people of my town know that you are a virtuous woman. Now it is true that I am a close relative. However, there is a relative closer than I. Stay this night, and in the morning it shall be that if he will perform the duty of a close relative for you, good. Let him do it. But if he does not want to perform the duty for you, then I will perform the duty for you as the Lord lives. Lie down until morning.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

So, um, Ruth being obedient, right? So she follows Naomi's instructions. She was like, wait till, you know, so so this is the part of the now it's the threshing floor, right? So usually, you know, they would go out into this area where it was flat and they would thresh the the harvest and the wind would blow. But at night, if it's a lot, at night, they would kind of rest sleep in front of the um in front of the the harvest so that people wouldn't come steal. So again, you're seeing this guy, he was a wealthy man, but you see him working.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

Right? You see him there. So, you know, Naomi understanding how things roll. She was like, Yo, wait, you know, after he he eats and you know, he's work, he's gonna be tired and he's gonna fall asleep, and you're gonna go there. And he's she's also telling her, Listen, you have to be discreet in all of this, because um Obviously, you uh don't want people to see and have the wrong idea, which is what always happens. Not understanding what's really going on, they might see something, and also the danger of you traveling by yourself. So, you know, she kind of breaks all that down. And pretty much what Ruth is going to do is to propose to Boaz. You know? Um, so she goes, and obviously, this is some type of uh ritual where it's it's understood in that culture at that time. So she goes and lays at his feet, which is definitely an action of of humility, an action of submission, right? So she's pretty much telling Boaz, listen, I'm submitting myself to you. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Sometimes I wake up in the in the middle of the night and I look at my feet, make sure you know Shorty's there. I'm like, I'm like, Lord, I've been praying for Shorty. Where she at? You know what I'm saying? Still nothing. I don't know what's going on. No, we yo, but that humility is out of control, bro. Because I love when when her when Naomi told her he will tell you what to do after you do your part. He could have easily said, I'm not feeling it. No, I because people don't understand. Like the the the law here, literally, if he were to to have a son with her, it wasn't necessarily his name that was gonna be in the lineage, it was the the name of the dead person. The dead person was gonna get all of the land, all of the everything that followed. So, which is one reason why we're gonna read why the other guy denies it. And so this is even telling you more about um the character of Boaz and who he is, that he's okay with raising somebody else's lineage or raising somebody else's children per se. You know what I mean? So yeah. So, like you said, this could have gone left.

SPEAKER_03 45:50

Boaz could have been like, nah, I'm good, right? Yep. And again, you know, we you know, I mentioned the three months where it kind of was taking a while, and Naomi decided to take action. Cause I think Boaz took himself out of the the equation because of the other dude, because of the other dude, and because he was older. I think he thought because he was older that she wasn't interested. Like, yeah, he was like, Yeah, I'm an older guy. That's why he was like, Yeah, I'm surprised. Another thing that impressed her, I'm surprised that you're not going after the younger guys, whether rich or poor. But even a younger guy, right? So I think the fact is that he just this wasn't just something, you know. I took myself out the running.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Why why is it that you think in America they women have such a big issue with age when it comes to older guys, where you know, because I am on a dating site, and the women from other countries, whether they're 20, 21, 22, they are reaching out to the older dudes, you know what I mean? And I wonder why less options. It's uh I don't think why is it?

SPEAKER_05 47:01

I think it's cultural.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

It's cultural, right? Because they understand what comes with the guy.

SPEAKER_05 47:06

No, the thing about it, it used to be like like if you even look at most relationships, most relationships, the guy is older. It don't have to be like crazy older. You know what I'm saying? The the age might not be like Boaz and and Roof, but if you technically look at most like relationships, the guy is whether it's two, three, four, five years is older. What I'm looking at it in the sense of like times has changed. Like, you know, I think back in the days, like even in American culture, it probably was like that. But you're dealing with modern times now where, you know, like you said, you got dating apps, you got all these different things where people have access to more choices. You understand what I'm saying now? So now it's like not like back in the days where you know we didn't have that much choices, like you said, but I think it's now you're living in an era, a modern era where there's more choices.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

And but what is the stigma behind being with a dude that's I don't know, 15 years old?

SPEAKER_05 48:01

Because young is always better than old B.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

I don't, but I don't know if that's a stigma. There's a lot of women that are in their 30s and they're dating guys that's in their mid 40s. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Most relationships is like this. I don't know. I mean, you see the 70-year-old and the you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 48:18

And that's always frowned upon by women. When they see the the because they're like, oh, the 70-year-old just wants the young woman. You know, it's always frowned upon by by women. No, but men don't really care.

SPEAKER_05 48:29

But at that age, it's just a warm body.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

Like that's all that is, but what I'm saying, I think, I think young people.

SPEAKER_05 48:33

But David was dying. You haven't been on the city. Next to that.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

Oh, they're oh, I want I want to do from 25 to 30. What if the dude's 31, but he has tremendous character? But that's what if he's 32 and he has tremendous characters.

SPEAKER_05 48:47

That created that. I know. You understand what I'm saying? Not the apps. You can like you said, you can put 25 to back in the days. It wasn't like that.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

Is it a click? Yeah, you gotta click your preference. The apps make you click your preference.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

No, no, you literally write down I want this to this, and that's it.

SPEAKER_05 49:03

That's what I'm saying. This because you're dealing in a technology ever, where it was like like you said, back in these days, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like you said, it was choices. So, yeah, there was younger men around, but it's not like now where, like you said, you could go on an app and you literally could put 30 to 35.

SPEAKER_04 49:20

But what I'm saying is why is that? I mean, I I personally think, I just personally, I it's the moral depravity. That's what I said, the decaying, you know, of the of this world um where people just want it's it's all about physical, it's all about the flesh. That's gonna be like that's gonna be that whole show of cougars came out with older women want to deal with younger men. Because it's all about a physical relationship. Because what can because that younger dude is not cannot really provide, you know, uh any spiritual covering or teaching or wisdom or protection, you know. All he could provide is the yeah, we know. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 49:59

Are we talking about the world?

SPEAKER_04 50:01

That's how it's too. I don't know about I don't know about the church.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

Because if we're talking about the world like that, everything is perverted in the world. It's perverted.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

I'm on a Christian dating site, bro. I'm telling you, it's Christian women.

SPEAKER_05 50:13

But a lot of people on the dating site, they're not all Christians, they just want Christian people. Yeah, I think they're Christian by name.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

If they they think that they're Christian, yeah, I think most of them are Christian by name.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

And then it goes back to the original conversation. We all gotta have preferences, right? So if the site wants you to put something, you're gonna put something that you prefer. And obviously, you prefer somebody that's maybe your peer or younger. Like, as a man, if you're single, you're not gonna prefer somebody that's a woman that's 10, 15 years older than you. Right, right. As men, I mean, but think about it. The preference or the attraction is gonna be towards.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

But when it comes to that, it's more because you still want to have children. You know what I mean? When it's the other way around, the man can still provide you with children, he provides you with a home. With you, he probably has uh a profession, he can provide financially, but still that's not enough for a lot of these women. Because, like you said, I think it's more they focus on the physical.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

So for I say the reason I'm saying because men do that too.

SPEAKER_01 51:16

Men do what?

SPEAKER_03 51:17

Would be attracted to younger women. Yeah, so it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_05 51:22

No, but he's saying it in a sense where the attraction to the younger woman would be because of uh to bear children. Who the guy? Right, no, no, the woman. Like, so the guy looking for a younger woman is like, okay, to bear children. He's saying, what sense does it make for the older woman to be with the younger guy? Because like, obviously, as you get older, it's harder to bear children. So he's that's what he's trying to say, right? So that's what he's saying in the physical component when a guy is looking at a young girl, you know what I'm saying? It's more like, yo, for children's sake, you know what I'm saying? But in the opposite, it's like that don't make sense because it's with the woman. So to me, I think it's proverbs. Remember the proverbs with the the chick, and she sees the young, stupid man walking by, and she's like, yo, I'm gonna right. That's what I think. I think there's an underlying spirit, yeah, where the older chicks, you young and you dumb. I could run over you. I could, and I'm not saying that's all instances. That's why I'm not make sure I'm not saying because you do have relationships. I know personally relationships where the woman is older and it's a beautiful relationship. But what I'm saying, I'm to talk to your point when you're looking at it in the mass, I'm like, you you understand that him being younger, you could kind of run it a little bit. You know, it's a power thing, you know what I'm saying? And Proverbs, if we get to that, it'll that that's why it was like she sees the young man who's dumb and naive, and then she tricks him because that's really the spirit behind it. Right. Wanna rule over him. That's that that's the curse from Adam. That's the curse from Adam and Eve.

SPEAKER_03 52:54

So so he says, Yo, who's this? See, he was startled, he woke up, and she said, I'm Ruth your maidservant. No longer I'm Ruth the Moabitus. You see, she kind of seeing, you know, she identifies herself differently. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:09

I like the fact that she came softly.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

You know, the words that said she came soft, feminine, feminine, soft.

SPEAKER_05 53:16

Like you ever been sleeping, and somebody, you know, wake up before you and they just knocking it, they just make a mad noise, like you not right there in the bed sleep. So here's his so nah, but just a quick point. Like, it showed that femininity. You know what I'm saying? She came softly, she knew he was sleeping, she uncovered his feet, she lied down. It wasn't about this big commotion, she didn't make a big commotion off of it, even though this was a proposal. Right, right. You understand what I'm saying? Because we see proposals now where it's like, oh, super duper, just this big extra. It was discreet. It was very discreet. It was between him and her, it was on the rival. You know what I'm saying? It was totally anti what you see in this world here. Right. You know what I'm saying? It was so private, it was intimate.

SPEAKER_03 54:02

And there was nothing sexual about this interaction. Right, nothing. You know, I know some people try to break down, oh, they came and had sexual relations, they did not have sexual relations. It's literally exactly what she said. She laid at his feet, covered herself with the the you know, the whatever the corner of the bone.

SPEAKER_05 54:19

I mean, she had a foot fed, it just was obvious. Yo, you are dog.

SPEAKER_03 54:23

So here's what's what's here's what's interesting, what made her even more impressive to him, because he says, for you have shown more kindness at the end than at the beginning. So he was more impressed by the fact that you had all these options, you had these all these opportunities, but you chose again your loyalty to Naomi. Yes, you know what I'm saying? You actually forsaking everything you had before to follow her. I was impressed when you did that. You came to our country. Right now, you're even to the point of obedience gonna allow this, you know, left, right, redeemer, cultural situation to happen when you could have gone after them young bulls. Young bulls, you know what I'm saying? So he was like, Man, you're even you impressed me more now than at the beginning. And I was already impressed. Yeah, that's and I showed you how you know your character affected me. Right, you know what I'm saying? So that was that was pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_01 55:28

So this was the end of that three-month courtship period, right? Yeah, because yeah, this guy's a gentleman, he was gonna do nothing. He was like, Y'all be he's like, we getting married. You showed me enough of your character, we getting married. Now, you know what?

SPEAKER_05 55:41

I I honestly think it was like I said, it's just obedience. Like you're seeing the character of two people that are really devoted to the Lord, their character is obedience, humility, like all these characteristics are so important because I think this is what guides their life. You understand? Where when other things could easily come and mud up the decision, like you said, it could have been ah, he's old. That would have mud up the whole decision to go after Boaz. You understand what I'm saying? But because of constant being walking with the Lord, and I'm obedient to the Lord, you know, I'm obedient to the Lord. You see how, you know, um, God, he's a good shepherd. You see in God's shepherd just taking these people along.

SPEAKER_03 56:26

So, like, how you saying it navigating through God's navigating through the streets, how God's sovereignty only operate well in your obedience, right? Right, right. Like we we could see God is behind the scenes orchestrating this, but imagine if those people were stiff-necked rebellious. That's what I'm saying. That it would have just ripped them pages out, be like, yo, man, pick two other people, let me see who's obedient. Right. Because, you know, like we read in Genesis, God's eyes is going to and fro. Yo, let me see who's special, right? That's why he like decided, yo, yo, your word is gonna last forever. Ruth, this story of Ruth is gonna be around forever.

SPEAKER_05 57:03

Yo, I'm gonna tell you something. Like, even when you're reading Ruth, Ruth don't say a lot. No, every there's no idle word, right? Everything that comes out of Ruth's mouth is just pure obedience, humility. Like, you don't have no idle, idle word coming from Ruth because she was really devoted to this God. And it's just beautiful to watch God navigate her life and you know, bring her a husband.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

So he was he was honest in terms of listen, there's somebody else that's closer to me. Even in this situation, this guy is obedient. And he's he's like, you know, she brought it up to him. He's like, yo, I'm gonna do everything that I can to make sure that you're good, right? But there's somebody else. Like, I can't promise you. He's like, Yeah, I'm not making any promises, but I'm gonna do everything to make this happen. Right. Because there's somebody else that's in front of me or closer to a limalek than I am. So he tells her, you know, chill, chill for the night. I don't want you going out there, people to see again that discretion. Him thinking about her, protecting her him thinking about her reputation, her safety. You know, he he says that everybody um knows how virtuous you are. Right? You're a virtuous woman. He said the old character he loves. And that he was protecting her character. I'm gonna preserve that because somebody might see this and not understand what's happening. They might think like, oh, she sneaky linked, went and met Boaz, and they was doing XYZ, but like that's not what it was. That's not what it was. You're just seeing something and not understanding the full context of what's happening.

SPEAKER_05 58:40

Very similar to like how Joseph was protecting Mary, right? Right, where he was like, where it says he's gonna put her away privately because he wanted to protect the room.

SPEAKER_03 58:48

And he carried that. Jesus had to deal with that, right? You know, when they were coming at him, which is crazy. So um, yeah, so you know, he says, chill in the morning, you could dip out before anybody could see you. Um where we finished off at.

SPEAKER_05 59:04

And I like his character because he could have he he could have just snaked that. You know, he could have schemed, but he was like, nah, bro, I gotta deal business. Like, you know what I mean? This is you know what I mean? Like, this ain't just marriage. Cause like, let's say, even if he was feeling her and it was an attraction and all of that, he still was like, nah, I'm gonna do this legally. You understand what I'm saying? I'm gonna do corners. Yeah, I'm gonna do it the proper way. I'm not gonna go around and shist anybody. He was like, he even put her on. That's why he was like, Naomi says he's gonna tell you everything, and he he laid it all out. There was a total transparency there, right? You understand what I'm saying? He didn't hide nothing. It was like, nah, dog, this, this, this uh, and it's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 59:44

Naomi was like, yo, go there, do this, and he's gonna tell you everything. But she did it, and she was like, Yo, you're this, this, that, you gotta do this. She didn't wait for him to say anything. Oh, okay. She said it. Right. And and uh the reason I say that is because like she was in she was in the right. Like, I have a right to this redemption. Okay. You know, just like Tamar. Except she dressed as a harlot and did what she did because she had a right. So it's this integrity thing, right? Oh, where tomorrow was sneak. Tomorrow, it was sneaky, yeah. She did it the wrong way, but she was in the right because at the end, she had the integrity, and Judah was like, ah man, yeah, I messed up. I'm off.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:30

Um, XYZ, you know, we know the rest of the story, but I like that the most with the with the what Mike was saying in terms of that. Um, but there is a relative that's closer. That obedience, because it's like you see that he's not basing it on the circumstances or emotions or feelings or anything. He's like, yo, I gotta stick according to the word of God.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:48

He's obedient, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:49

That integrity is like I gotta stick to that.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:51

And I'm glad that he told the so that when she goes back, she could tell Naomi. Yeah. Like, yo, relax. I'm gonna do everything that I can. So he's providing her information so that she could she could be um comforted. She's alright, she's already comforted in in his character and who he is, and that's that's I think that's the reason that she was able to do that, right? So, you know, a question is like you know, you see this woman um asking the man in marriage. So now, you know, let's let's apply it now in practical practical terms. And traditionally, the man would ask the woman for marriage, though. Is there anything wrong with a woman asking a man to get married?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:36

No, you're supposed to. Read roof. I'm playing, I'm playing, I'm playing. Because when you look at Isaac and Rebecca, you know what I mean? U Isaac, Eliezer came with the whole with the phantoms and the he came with the phantoms and the whole the whole parade to present to Rebecca. So it's like, dog, I think it's just obedience to God, you know. So, like, let's say you are a woman, you're in a situation where, like you were saying, Ange, taking the initiative, because that's what we see something about Ruth. She takes the initiative, you know what I mean? She initiates things. So when Naomi told her to do that, she could have been like, nah, I'm not doing that. Like, I'm too, I'm above that. But she was never a woman who would take the initiative. You understand what I'm saying? Because she was obedient to God. So if you're really having a walk with God, gotta put something in your spirit. And again, I think you stress it all the time. It's not gonna look sometimes. It's unconventional, bro. And it's about faith. Are you gonna take that step of faith? So So what you say?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:39

You say no?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:40

Yeah, be no slide and field DMs, baby.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:43

You know, I can come in the DMs, but I don't want nobody proposing to me. Why you don't want nobody to propose to you? Nah, because as as as a I don't know, additional man, I want to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:55

Yeah, he's only talking to the 24s and below baby.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:59

Yo, if you yo Doug, if you uh eight, nine, a ten, or eleven, you don't want to be a person.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

So you don't you don't you don't see women proposing to men?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

You see it every now and then.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:09

But I'm saying you're not you would be against the person.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:11

I wouldn't want that.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:12

But personally for you, you'd personally but I'm just talking about in general, not even personal.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

I don't in per in general, no. I don't think a woman should propose to a man. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:21

Well, I'm I I think I think there's no problems with it. Yeah, I think there's no problems with it, and um, and at least showing interest. Like that's like she's definitely this year's definitely a proposal, but you know, a lot of times men may be totally clueless. You see that all the time. Men may not be aware, and whether it be like sometimes it's out of intimidation where a guy won't, you know, really confront a woman or fear or what have you, or he may, you know, so you see, there are these aspects, and you know, and sometimes the woman just allowing, you know, like listen, like I am interested in you and showing that, and I I think it's definitely I think I think it happens more more than the other way around.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:05

But the way it it comes out, it does, it still comes out traditional. You got women that's been with men, they be like, Where's the ring? They'll throw the hints. You understand what I'm saying? They'll be like, oh no, you know, go do this and be like, I don't see no ring on this finger. That's her way of saying I'm ready, is there? But as far as the the proposal, we'll do it traditional because we live in this modern world. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah, but a majority of those relationships be women that be like, yo, straight up and down to tell a dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:39

Alright, so let me let me bring it down a notch. Like marriage, obviously, marriage is you know the more serious. So a woman asking a man to go out to show interest. Kind of like Ralph said, Bo has removed himself from the situation based on the information that he just gave me. Okay, yeah, yeah. I see what you said. You know what I'm saying? So like he was like clueless, he's like, yo, this woman is great, her her character, her reputation is great, but she's probably so I'm eliminating myself. Um, so you know, I pose that question, so let's bring it down with just dating. If a woman to ask a guy on a date, because even traditionally, the man is supposed to write traditional, whatever. But I say that, you know, my answer is like, no, I think that's totally fine in terms of courting or approaching a guy, but it should be based on the information that you have about the guy, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, Ruth understood the type of guy that Boaz is, and knowing whether it went left or right, you would still have my best interest in mind, and you're not gonna take advantage of me. Right. You understand what I'm saying? Okay, I see what you say. Whereas, you know, a woman could be like, Oh, oh, he's not making a move, I'm I'm gonna make a move, and his character. Is is is scumbagish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then now that you made yourself vulnerable to him, he takes advantage of you. You know, and then you get rolled hard and hung up wet. I always wanted to use that. I never even heard of that in my life. You know how many chicks get rolled hard and hung up wet? I used to work with my coworkers. He used to say that all the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:44

I'm gonna break that down right here.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:46

Picture literally, literally, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:48

After hours.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:50

So to me, I'm looking at it like listen, Ruth was safe and secure and being vulnerable to boaz. So, you know, I say all that to say, like, you know, women, understand who to be vulnerable with. Understand who to, you know, put yourself in that position. Because it might be a situation where listen, he might, he might reject you, but he'll still protect you, protect your reputation, and not want to um, not want to hurt you.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:21

I don't believe it's hard because again, I think Roof is a perfect example of how you should live your life. If you're living your life a certain way, bro, the decisions you make, you understand what I'm saying? The decisions you make is gonna be led by the Lord, and not to say it's gonna be perfect, but it's not gonna the percentages is not gonna be like what you're saying. So I think it's more of what's your relationship with God before you're courting and dating? Like, you know, you serious with God, and I think if your walk is close with God, how could God lead you to you? And I think Ruf, you're seeing that example with Roof where is all these things are so like Boaz is coming, he's like, Yo, I thought you were gonna be with a young guy. She's like, Dog, I'm being obedient to the Lord. And it'll work Naomi is guiding me. I'm in the I'm in this pocket right here, and it works out, everything is working. Every time I'm obedient, it works.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:15

And that's why I preface it with before you put yourself out there, dog, get all the information. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:22

And and and that's and that's the biggest problem. You see it in dating that people don't even know how to quote properly, they don't know how to ask the proper questions, you know how to really get to know someone to find out if they're a virtuous person, if they have you know, faith, if they don't know, they ask dumb questions, like oh what's my face? They just go through the timeline, yeah. They yeah, they go through the list, it's looks, it's looks so they that's the biggest thing. They don't know how to communicate, you know, communicate their heart transparently, right? You know, and and that's the biggest problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:53

And that's why Boaz, what's okay, what's what's what would be your witness? Like, what are people gonna say about you? That's how Boaz got his information. He was like, I'm getting this from other people, and it's consistent, right? And then when I like you said it last time, when I deal with you, it's still consistent. And then he meets her, you know, at the threshing floor, and it was like, yo, you surpassed my expectations. Now it's like, yo, dog, this is a no-brainer.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:20

Yep, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:21

You know what I'm saying? So that's why, and I'm bringing it up, like obviously, you know, tradition, tradition, but fam, like we're we have liberty. So a woman could, if she has the right information, if she has the good information, and she understands, you know, the character, all of that. Like, I'm using this as an example, you're safe to maybe approach a guy. Yes, because even if he's not interested, he's not gonna hurt you, right? He's not gonna hurt. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:49

He ain't gonna uh and that's a big problem in Christianity when you uh made that point. Because many Christian women will not because they're stuck in the this culture, right? Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is. Because you know what I'm saying? They're stuck in this culture that the man has to make the move, so I'm gonna just sit here and look pretty and not say anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:08

But Ruth bucked the system from she left with Naomi. That's what I'm saying. Orpa was, you know what I'm saying? Orpah is like, I ain't gonna do this, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:17

Because Ruth is like, because like you said, in Moab, that's probably how I got like you said, it was all about beauty, it was all about making up, it was all about all of these other traditions, and she's coming here, but it's because she humbled herself. That humility is carrying her through her life, B. Everywhere she goes, she's humble, she's teachable, she's grateful. Like those characteristics is carrying her through where she's making every right decision, dog. Every right decision, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:46

And that one quick point when um, like you mentioned in verse 13, when it says, Stay tonight and in the morning shall be that if he will perform the duty of a close relative for you, good. Like you said, um, he's not here to hurt you. So he says, If if this closer relative, this closer kinsman redeemer, if he wants to perform the leverite marriage, good. Because now you're gonna be protected, you're gonna be taken care of. So you see that this is true love where it's selfless, where it's not about just it's not about him. He's looking out for her best interest and the best interest of Naomi. So you see that true character of love where he put himself out of the picture.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:21

Yeah, and you've seen that with all of them, dude. You've seen that with Naomi, that's what I'm saying, Ruth, Boaz, they're all the same. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:29

And I think that's why she aligned herself with Naomi. Like, you understand what I'm saying? Like during that time, you know, widowhood probably just she's like, yo, this is a kindred spirit here, you know what I'm saying? And then she's realizing Naomi's like that because of her God. Right. And it's like, yo, I want some of that. Right. You know, and that's that's how you gotta look at it. Let's finish this. I don't know where we stopped off.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:51

14. So she lay at his feet until morning and she arose before one could recognize another. Then he said, Do not let it be known that the woman came to the threshing floor. Also he said, Bring the shawl that is on you and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six ephas of barley and laid it on her. Then she went into the city. When she came to her mother-in-law, she said, Is that you, my daughter? Then she told her all that the man had done for her, and she said, These six ephas of barley he gave me. For he said to me, Do not go empty-handed to your mother-in-law. Then she said, Sit still, my daughter, until you know how the matter will turn out. For the man will not rest until he has concluded the matter this day. In these three, four months. No, I don't think so. I don't think so. Because he's he's even thinking about her kindness. I mean, he's like, yo, take this to your mother-in-law, don't go home empty-handed. You know what I mean? Like, yo, this dude's totally out of control.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:54

And and they'll be, I'm showing you. I'm I'm I'm um I'm walking it. Yeah, I'm about it. I'm not just talking it. Yeah, I'm about it. And I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep going above and beyond. Like, I'm showing you, I'm gonna take care of you. I'm showing that you're protected. And he's and he's also telling you, dude, I'm not BSing you about I'ma take care of this matter. Right. Like you're here, I'm investing in you.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:16

Ruth is seeing those things. Ruth is seeing how this guy's communicating with you. I'm reading this, and I'm like, yo, dog, this is a great picture of how you understand how a man is supposed to communicate with you, how a woman is supposed to communicate with you, how they're supposed to respond.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:35

Yeah, are you supposed to without getting anything in return? That's right. Which is something that men nowadays they're investing with the purpose of trying to get, trying to smash or trying to do something. So, this kind of kindness, women don't even realize that nowadays.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:49

Because the other guy could have just been like, nah, I'll do it. Now you down six. Yeah. You down six E fives, B.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:58

That's like exactly three weeks. Three weeks no promise to get anything in return for his kindness. That's three weeks worth of food. And she'd be like, yo, I'm out. Yeah, I'm I'm with George now.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:10

George got the bun. George is like, oh, where?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:13

No, no, no. But you know what's interesting? Because I read a commentary and like with like uh rabbinic traditions, I don't know how true it is or whatever, but it was mentioned about the six Epha, right? He said that um the the Holy Spirit was trying to bring out six for a specific reason. Like it's not just oh, one thing it is that he over abundance trying to show that yo, I care for you guys and I'm really gonna, I'm serious, I'm a man of my word. But also is pointing out like completion?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:41

That's right, like in terms of like how God said she'll complete, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:44

Yeah, like yo, God created the order on six days, and the seventh day he rested, and how um Naomi said at the end for this man will not rest right until he concluded this matter to Zay. So six was a symbol. It was a Jewish, it was a Jewish lingo that he that he knew that the mother-in-law would understand that listen, I'm not gonna stop until this matter is concluded where I can rest on the seventh day. So it was a like, you know, this communication, you know, um happening between Boaz and Naomi that Ruth has no idea that's going on. She says, Oh, he gave me tons of food to give to you. And that's how she came out. Oh, I know this man, I understand his character.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:20

And that's I see it. And that's what it is, is like that's what he was putting on the forefront all the time, dog. His character. You know what I'm saying? He was putting that in the forefront, like all the time with her, like, yo. And I, you know, like I said, um, Ruth being young, but just also seeing, you know what I'm saying? This guy just moving, you know what I mean? He was constantly moving, moving, and making the proper moves. And I think that was very important also to her for her to see. You know, like you said, it was like, nah, dog, this guy's about his business, baby. He's up, he's at it, he's moving. You know, like to even get gather that six, you know, to she's in the midst of this watching this happening, and she's like, yo, something's happening. She may not understand everything, but she's like, nah, B. Every time I tell you something, it's boom, boom, boom, yo, go do this, go do that, yo, yo, stay here, boom, boom, boom. Like, direction, constant direction. And it's like I said, the same. And the thing about it is, I think she devoted herself to Naomi because Naomi had that. So it was kind of like Naomi being that, you know, that that father figure, that parent figure, and it's like, like you said, boaz having the same thing. Like, I know, I know I'm I'm I'm home. This is like home. Because Naomi moves the same way. You understand what I'm saying? Like, yo, with the instruction, yo, do this, do that, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I think she felt like, okay, this is home. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:47

I think in her eyes too, she she she went from the um the what is it, the from the daughter, and now he said, we call the woman, right? He said, do not let it be known that the woman came to the threshing floor. So I think maybe in his eyes now she's turned into the a romantic connection because now he knows that she was interested. You know what I mean? So I don't know if it's romantic. You don't think so? I don't think I would put it so just Well he knew what they were gonna he knew what this was. This was a proposal.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:18

Yeah, but I don't think it's romance. Like I think I think it's more like you know, again, this is to cave on legacy. This is, you know, like this is about like I don't think it was romantic. I mean, like the way obviously right, right, right. That's what I'm saying. You gotta be careful with that word.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:35

Well nowadays, what does romance mean? Means that you're interested in someone more than just a friendship.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:40

I think no, I think at this point the em the emotion is is involved. I think that there's definitely feelings here now.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:46

I just but this is three, four months of her running around the fields and he was noticing her.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:51

And who's who said it? Who said it with um the survey? Like, you know, you could have a woman if a man is treating her and providing these these securities provisions, though, she's she's gonna be women are attracted to that. You know what I'm saying? More than the physical. It's the dudes that beyond the physical, yo, and they become stories. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:16

Right, like a woman, yeah, because he's just being kind.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:19

So a woman that understand, like, you know, just based on her nature, like this man is gonna be a covering, she'll she'll do it. So I think at this point, I think it was both the feelings and the emotion that didn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:32

I think it's that, but it's just romance is it just sounds it sounds so filthy.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:38

So so and if if a shorty proposed, you gotta tell her to kick rocks.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:43

First of all, if a shorty proposes, if she's a four, if a short three proposes to me, that means that we probably was you know in a place where I'm considering it too. No, what if she just came out the book?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:55

What if she was like, you gotta watch season one, season three?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:58

I listen to both season three, both albums, listen to the albums, and I feel a kindred spirit.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:04

Yeah, uh I love you, marry me.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:06

Of course I'm gonna say no. Why not? You gotta get to know her? Yes. And if yeah, shut up, shut up.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:16

What would you say? If somebody hits you up in the DM talking about yo, the Lord told me to ask you to marry me.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:22

I'd be like, uh, put the wet blanket by the door, Lord. And if it's wet, when I get a listen, and then I would do it another night. And if the Lord made it wet again, then it's dry. If it's dry again, then I'll be like, ah, yo, we get married, surely.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:39

So, Father, we just uh we thank you for your word. We thank you uh how gracious you are towards us and just leaving these wonderful stories, giving us insight in how you see things and um what pleases you and what you honor. Um and we you know, we read it, we discuss it, Lord, and we share it. Um but the overarching love story is the love that you have for us. And you showed that on the cross when you sent your son to die for us, to redeem us, to die for our sins, to cleanse us, to um put the oil on us, to have us looking and feeling good, giving us a future, a hope, a security, provision, all of that you've done to us, Lord. And you uh convey that through this story. So um we want to thank you and anybody that hasn't realized that yet, anybody that hasn't made that decision to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, so that they could enter into that rest, so that they could enter in under your wing, under the covering, Lord. We pray that you know, in our discussions, it it leads them to you through your through your word um and leads them to the cross and uh leads them to make that decision. But we are just um grateful that you give us this time, you give us this opportunity, and um you know, God willing, we'll be back next week. And it's in the name of Jesus Christ we pray. Amen.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:08

Kip, kip, kip, kip.